SouthNYfan

I think last year had some serious studs on both sides of the ball That's why I'm glad we had two firsts!

I saw him ranked anywhere from #11 to #24 overall Most had him in the low teens (12-15) from that I remember pre draft Redskins got good grades from most everywhere for taking him if I remember correctly as well

That's very fair. I'm not convinced he wouldn't have improved without the injury. I think that just destroyed him mentally, and physically. It wrecked his mechanics, which weren't great to begin with. Anyway, I think that without the injury he wouldn't have been the dumpster fire he turned into lol

He had a high completion rate and didn't throw many ints his rookie year. He led the NFL in y/a and int% He threw for 3200 yards, 20td 5int Almost 66% comp 102+ rating and like a 69+ qbr Also ran for 800+ yards and 7 TDs That wasn't all shanny When he was rushed back from his injury, only to make it even worse, he never looked the same. He was sailing throws all over the place and turned into an int machine Confidence ruined It was really sad

I heard we need a punter at #9

He had an amazing rookie season. People forget how good he actually played.

Oh yeah. I was just saying BPA in general. Definitely subjective for BPA.

That's a big one.

Man. Rgiii. His body mechanics (lower) with running and jumping were terrible from the get go. He was predisposed to ACL injuries based on his lower body build and hip-knee alignment during running and jumping. Go look at his knees from his combine long jumps. Yeesh.

Didn't realize you said that when I quoted your other post. Glad we agree. Also true, barring exceptions like Peyton, luck, etc

Exactly what I've been saying. BPA has a lot of layers to it. It's who the BILLS feel is the best player available. If for whatever reason they have say, drew lock, a QB, as their highest graded player left when #9 rolls around they aren't taking lock, because he isn't on the bills board. I think, as you said, there are multiple things that go into it. Talent, player health, character, scheme fit, positional need all factor in the equation that determines "best player available"

Back and to the left. Back and to the left. Back... And to the left. We also have to factor in the magic helmet.

Bill bellicheat was the Giants DC. I say he filmed us on one of those old cameras looked the JFK assassination was filmed on. Zapruder film!? Billpruder film!! ?

I love the idea of another edge rusher, like bosa, but you make an interesting point as well. Two rushing edges would prevent rollouts and scrambles to the edge, but without somebody to burst the pocket on the interior, the pocket QBs (Brees, Brady, Rivers, etc) would just step up into the pocket and deliver. While I'm advocating for a wr/te to help Allen, I think DT is just as important, which is why I think DT is just as in play as wr/te early (first two picks)

So if BPA is a QB or a CB they are taking them, if their second highest graded player, who is closely graded, is a position of need, they're going to take the QB??

Depends where you can trade down to, and how willing you'd be to settle if he gets taken before where youb traded down to.

Day 3 might be in the cards for a wr. YOU think #9 is too rich for a TE. Plenty of other teams might not. The bills might not.

To you it's not. To the front office it might be. Wr is not a position of strength right now. It's a position of uncertainty but with good possibility. Agreed. That's why I said wr/te/dline are all on the table.

So what you're saying is he actually had a bunch of help and still didn't get the sacks?? Elite. Close only counts in horseshoes and hand grenades. ...and on this forum apparently ?

Wr is an area of need. Other than Beasley we don't really have a proven wr on the roster. Brown is fast but hasn't really done a lot to make me think he's elite. Zay is okay, and that's all. Foster looked great end of last year, and maybe they are thinking they want to give him the reigns this year and hope he turns into Antonio brown 2.0 without the diva. Most of the 5'11 size top wrs have a big body opposite them, or a beast te Anyway, I think Duke Williams size is fine, I wasn't saying he's small by any means, and he's got a chance hopefully to show his chops. I think wr/te/dline are all equally of need this year and all 3 are in play early.

That's not the definition of a stud. The stud is the guy you put across from the solid player to draw attention. A stud is a guy like Mack or Miller or watt. Jerry is a B+ player who flashes A+ from time to time. He's not bad by any means. People think that if you say a guy isn't elite you're trashing him. There are player grades between A+ and F. Yep I got told to learn to watch football for saying that he wasn't a dominant player I think those people need to go watch Mack, von Miller, and watt play. Right. Good call. That's what I think he's worth.

Barely would still be a flag for him

All valid points. 26 coming from CFL is definitely less trauma to the body than playing in the NFL, but it's still 4-5 years older than most of the wr prospects. Anyway. The signings at wr (or who then didn't sign/trade for) could also point to them going after a big athletic wr, as they lack that. Duke is what? 6'2 and like 215-220? He's a solid size, but I don't think they're betting the farm on him being a #1 outside threat. Beane, after last year we've seen, loves his athletic specimens. Even if it's not DK at #9 (or fant who fits that description from a TE spot but is more of a receiver style te) it wouldn't shock me if he grabbed one of the freak bodied guys in the second. They need help at: Wr Lb Te Dline interior Dline edge Rb I think they believe that the oline is shored up enough to not take a high pick this year. This is a crappy LB class. Dline is really deep this year, so is oline. I could see them waiting on both of those. Value in rb position rounds 3-5 also can be had. I think a wr or a te early wouldn't be that surprising, neither would a dline player. Ed Oliver is pretty athletically gifted too, he might also get beane's jollies rocking. It's a really hard draft to peg for us this year I think.

I don't disagree with your assessment. I am not even advocating that we must take a wr at #9 I'm just saying you can't assert he's better than any draft prospect this year I also can't assert he's not The age thing is big 25 is Young 21 is younger Wrs unless all time great tend to hit a wall at 30

So you're saying Jerry didn't really get double teamed because he lined up against the left tackle? I honestly would like to see numbers about his double teams. I think he's good. He also had his best season ever. I think it's an outlier and he will come back down to being above average. Suddenly having your best season at age 30 isn't typically the norm. Granted, coaching and coordinator changes didn't help him prior, so maybe he's finally found his groove.