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You mean the people saying I'm stupid for liking stats. Also, I like Allen just fine. I have issues with people who want him to start right away. Which makes me a pretentious hater who talks down to people about completion percentages. Alot of dudes in this thread want to beleive that he is the second coming after one preseason game. Question that and they will gang up on you.

The Bills, your allowed to like a team without fawning over all of the players. Right? Enough people blasted Tyrod on here, and they weren't questioned if they liked the team or not. But say that you have an issue with Allens completion percentage and your suddenly a traitor.

I was not quoting your post. Another poster who didn't take offense to what I was saying was quoting Farve and Kelly's stats. Maybe he was quoting your post, I don't know. Then the Allen echo chamber started running, and I'm sorry, but those dudes don't seem to be as well informed about statistics as other members on this board and if you point that out they flip and accuse you of saying things you never said and being pretentious. Its just anti-intellectuals blowing a gasket when you point out the fact that a QB completion percentage from the 90's might not apply anymore. I have already told you twice that I was not referring to your post and you keep ignoring that for some reason, and feigning outrage over my interest on stats. I wasn't talking down to you, initially, I was describing my interest in stats. And your clearly not interested in stats because you and all the other fan boys conveniantly ignored all the stats I pulled. Feel free to argue with yourself, sir. I did not start an argument with you to begin with but you still think I did and are repeatedly ignoring evidence to the contrary because you want to keep arguing. Oh and when I said that he had a sub 50 completion percentage I was referring to the preseason game, not his college career. The poster I was talking to got that. You misinterpreted it and tried to use it as evidence of me being dumb and proceeded to ignore all the stats I pulled. When you start an argument like that it is in bad faith, and people will get frusterated. You have already stated that you don't think stats matter, so I'm not interested in duscussing them with you.

Then block me. If the Allen fans can't handle sober stat talk without loosing it, I'm really not interested in talking to them anyway.

Your paranoid. I'm not making up stats that don't exist and I'm not looking for excuses. They are going to start him eventually, he's a top 10 pick, so they have to. I'm just calling attention to the fact that his completion percentage in his first NFL preseason game is still below 2/3 3rds of the QB's in the league, so we might want to see that number improve before we throw him in there, or else he might suck, get benched, and his development will be ruined. This is a thread on The National Media Buzz about Allen, and since the memory of alot of folk seems to be short its worth reminding everyone that there was a similar buzz about Kizer last year, and he was put in too quick as a result, and now no longer with the team. Bringing up Kizers preseason stats are RELEVANT in this case, as well, because he was in a similar situation with similar college and preseason stats, National media buzz, playing against a 3rd team D, etc. You remind me of a dad who thinks that his kid is the best player on the team and that any questioning of his special ability, despite overall evidence to the contrary, is a slight against your family. I can picture you yelling at a pop warner coach and embarassing yourself in front of the rest of the parents.

He had a couple balls that recievers made great catches on as well, but pro football focus doesn't adjust for those. Preseason 3rd team adjusted stats are not a good indicator of anything. You can't go by your eyes to assume that a deep ball would have been caught when a reciever slows down because the same reciever could have overrun the pass as well. Its a subjective interpretation, not an objective stat.

I never said that he wasn't going to be succesful, just that his percentage should be over 60 before you start him. I could take 55, maybe, but the fanboys don't want to hear that. Pro football focus gave him an adjusted percentage of over 60, so BOOM! I'm wrong, they are right, he's jesus and I'm a heritec. And in case you didn't read anything that I said before, my ENTIRE POINT was that you shouldn't be taking his stats out context. So now, you, who I have yet to talk to or disagree with are telling me that I am taking his performance out of context when that was my entire point to begin with. Welcome to the Josh Allen echo chamber, where your an ass for asking people to consider stats in a comparative context, an ass for not considering stats that he has yet to put up, and an ass for being skeptical of third string preseason performance.

Adjusted completion percentage.That ones tricky. Its not a recognized stat across the board, and really hard to compare. Man, you Allen fan boys really need to calm down, because you're all getting silly, and trying to pick fights with people who aren't saying things that are unreasonable. DeShone Kizer was 11/18 for a TD and 184 yards in his preseason debut, and alot of fools who were insisting that he was the next big thing were screaming for his head not soon after. If you want to be one of those fools, thats your perogative, or you could chill out. Give him time. Stop ganging up on people who disagree with you. And resist the temptation to preassure an organization to start a rookie QB with a leaky Oline.

If you think I'm being condescening by pointing out cherry picking, a lack of research, and concern over a sub 60 per cent completion percentage please google "average completion percentage needed to start in the NFL" The baseline 60% completion percentage for a starting QB is a pretty common agreed upon stat amongst people who follow these things. In 2016 24/30 starting qbs had completion percentages over 60 and only one qb was below 55. In 2017 25/32 qbs were above 60. Only 2 players were below 55 - C.J Beathhard and DeShone Kizer. If you follow statistical trends, nothing that I said should come off as condescending, unless your adverse to research (which is a hobby that fans who are interested in stats enjoy). Teams aren't making the playoffs with QB's who are below 60%, minus a few exceptions, which includes Cam Newton (59.1) who makes up for it with his running ability. And if you think I'm being sequacious, consensus is what stats are all about, and the reason why they are useful.

Would you be motivated to play for the Cleveland Browns if you were their #1 pick at reciever after watching them pass on Carson Wentz?

I wasn't reffering to your posts, I was referring to a post made by someone else. Chill out dude, were all fans here, and you can still be a fan of the team and have concerns over his accuracy issues.

Referring to a player as being entitled is just fancy way of blaming them for poor coaching and stupid personnel decisions.

Its not that simple. The NFL is a different game today than it used to be and the difference between a 58% and a 62% completion percentage is a far wider margin than you think because teams are attempting more passes and more pass interference calls are being awarded. If he's throwing 58% at over 8.5 we are going to get murdered in time of possession and the D won't get enough time time to rest.

The controversy is over unrealistic fan expectations leading to pressure put on an organization to play a rookie QB too early because he was a high pick and to ruin said QB by doing so. Let the kid develop and be happy if he gets his percentage to 60% in a year or two. Its that simple, really.

Here's the problem, from a research perspective. His completion percentage was still below 50 and he was against a vanilla D. You can cherry pick all the great QB's you like, but you really need to look at a larger sample size. There haven't been many, if any, QB's who have been able to improve upon a sub 60 per cent college completion percentage in the pros who were drafted in the last decade. Your looking at exceptions, not likely outcomes. That was the reasoning against drafting Allen, as a QB needs to hit at least 60 per cent to be able to start in the league (in today's pass happy era) and most rookies see an immediate drop in completion percentage in the NFL, and sometimes it never goes back up. I get that your excited, but if you want to argue stats you can't just cherry pick from the greats who played during a time when passes were less frequent due to different pass interference rules.There are very good reasons to be concerned with his accuracy, and people who are concerned are doing there research.