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This could warrant a 4 game suspension

Love this scenario

Well we can start with 5 wins optimistically .. 2 vs. Dolphins .. 2 vs. Jets .. split with Pats in division. Road Games (non conference) - Win at Colts Home Games .. we were 6-2 last year .. (non conference) - Wins against Jags (revenge game), Bears, Lions (dome team outdoors .. hope late in season). So that gets us to 9 .. if we get swept by NE .. then 8 wins If a QB shows up (McCarron or draft pick) .. then coin flips with Chargers (at home), Titans (at home) Low prediction 7-9 ... high prediction 10-6 for 2018. Again depending on QB and Tom Brady's eventual downfall.... only higher in 2019

All this rhetoric revolves around one thing ... all Bills fans are tired of mediocre play at the QB position since Kelly ... 3 years of Tyrod's declining stats .. just see his QBR .. we all want a passer back there that can look beyond the first read .. throw to windows with anticipation .. and lead a team back in the 4th quarter .. all things we haven't seen in years. I see all the attacks on Maryland Bills Fan ... reminds me of the start of Animal House ... with Flounder on the slidescreen ... where the beer cans get thrown ... "Let me tell you a story of another loser" ... we all thought the Stork was braindead. The guy threw out (though with typos a plenty) ... many teams with QB's we'd prefer to have (sans Kiser and maybe Tannehill) ... but hasn't translated to wins .. now as other posters have said ... those teams have other major flaws ... hence they drafting ahead of us ... so maybe .. just maybe .. we have more pieces than they do .. (secondary, RB, OL) .. .so let's get our damn passer and fill a few more holes in this draft .. and trust the process.

There is a happy medium here .. I hope ... in the way the draft unfolds ... move into picks 6-9 and get a quality QB ... right now we have 4 guys and no one has separated themselves from one another depending on which pundant you listen too (Darnold, Mayfield, Rosen, Allen) ... you have to figure Chubb and Barkley get taken in the top 5 picks .. so one of those guys has to drop to 6 or later.

I'm with you as I love having the picks .. that said ... name a FA QB who switched teams that made impact ... doesn't typically happen (Drew Brees only HOF example I can think of ... Farve was well beyond his prime when he was jumping teams) .. you use FA and cap space to fill other holes .. but teams don't let what they believe to be QBs in their prime go ... now Cousins may be an exception .. but let's see what happens ... Garapolo was a trade so doesn;'t count in this opinion ... but RG III, dating myself but Scott Mitchell, Donovan McNabb. Now you have you 2nd tier QB's Delhomme, Brad Johnson, Rich Gannon, but again .. those aren't going to Canton. Trade to 5-8 and don't use the farm beyond that.

I want Baker ... but don't trade up beyond #6 to get him if he drops . .which I doubt ..... if he's gone we have AJ ... see his college stats in a stacked SEC vs. this years draft class .. and come back in 2nd/3rd for Rudolph, Falk, White, etc. Passing Year School Conf Class Pos G Cmp Att Pct Yds Y/A AY/A TD Int Rate Career Alabama 686 1026 66.9 9019 8.8 9.6 77 15 162.5 *2010 Alabama SEC FR QB 13 30 48 62.5 389 8.1 9.4 3 0 151.2 *2011 Alabama SEC SO QB 13 219 328 66.8 2634 8.0 8.3 16 5 147.3 *2012 Alabama SEC JR QB 14 211 314 67.2 2933 9.3 10.8 30 3 175.3 *2013 Alabama SEC SR QB 13 226 336 67.3 3063 9.1 9.8 28 7 167.2

Let me be clear .... I want Mayfield of any of these QBs ... .but I'm going to go with the no trade up scenario as I don't want to go Ditka to go into the top 5, but would love to trade up for Mayfield in the 7-9 range .. but think it is unlikely. #12 - Tremaine Edmunds - LB Va Tech (McD .. .needs a stud LB for his defense ala Kechly) #22 - Maurice Hurst - DT Mich (Williams replacement) #53 - DJ Chalk - WR LSU (best speed/size WR in draft) #56 - Rudolph if drops . .if not Falk - QB #65 - Billy Price - C (hoping he drops due to injury) #96 - Kalen Ballage - RB .. just pull his tape from Sr. Bowl .. wrecking ball and can catch ball out of backfield #121 - Chase Litton - QB Marshall ... (I'm all for drafting two mid tier QBs) ... plus wife went to Marshall ... homer pick #166 - flyer .. here WR from Purdue Anthony Mahoungou ... check out the game vs Iowa and the Bowl game ..late bloomer Leave the rest to Beane

Gritty, blue collar, mix of skill and toughness

If you're grading the Bills against the rest of the league .... my grade is incomplete ... until the 2018 1st rounder is picked which we received from the Chiefs (though is/will be repackaged) .. that said .. .compared to past Bills drafts ... A+++++ ... granted kind of like the tallest midget award given past draft history (see below) for draft hell history ... but a stud CB, a starting LT in 2017 ... works for me compared to below. 2016 2 Reggie Ragland 2016 3 Adolphus Washington 2016 4 Cardale Jones 2016 5 Jonathan Williams 2016 6 Kolby Listenbee 2016 6 Kevon Seymour Year Rnd Player 2015 2 Ronald Darby 2015 3 John Miller 2015 5 Karlos Williams 2015 6 Tony Steward 2015 6 Nick O'Leary 2015 7 Dezmin Lewis Year Rnd Player 2014 1 Sammy Watkins 2014 2 Cyrus Kouandjio 2014 3 Preston Brown 2014 4 Ross Cockrell 2014 5 Cyril Richardson 2014 7 Randell Johnson 2014 7 Seantrel Henderson Year Rnd Player 2013 1 EJ Manuel 2013 2 Robert Woods 2013 2 Kiko Alonso 2013 3 Marquise Goodwin 2013 4 Duke Williams 2013 5 Jonathan Meeks 2013 6 Dustin Hopkins 2013 7 Chris Gragg

A GM should be fired because of what other teams do ... wow ... holy job security .. so beyond his picking of Bills personnel .. he has to react to the other teams.

Put all these elements together, and Mayfield has the fourth-highest QBASE projection of any prospect since 1997. The only players projected higher were Philip Rivers, Carson Palmer, and Donovan McNabb. Here are the top 10 prospects since 1997 based on the current formula: Top QBASE Projections, 1997-2017 Player QBASE Philip Rivers 1964 Carson Palmer 1916 Donovan McNabb 1799 Baker Mayfield 1480 Russell Wilson 1288 Peyton Manning 1279 Marcus Mariota 1277 Byron Leftwich 1216 Aaron Rodgers 1216 Ben Roethlisberger 1211 None of this is a guarantee that Mayfield is going to be a star in the NFL. Just below the QBASE top ten are prospects who didn't pan out, including John Beck, Matt Leinart, and Christian Ponder. But based on his college performance, Mayfield has the best odds of any quarterback in this class of being an elite starter in the NFL, and the lowest odds of being a bust. DAMN .. Let's get Baker!!!

Check this out .. granted a couple of years old ... but kind of tells a lot I think in terms of scores for the position ... Jackson's score doesn't help him when compared to below. Didn't know Tyrod's score till I pulled this. Not sure if connected ... but could illustrate why he couldn't see beyond the first receiver in a progression? Arizona Cardinals Carson Palmer USC 2003 (1) 26 Atlanta Falcons Matt Ryan Boston College 2008 (3) 32 Baltimore Ravens Joe Flacco Delaware 2008 (18) 27 Buffalo Bills Tyrod Taylor Virginia Tech 2011 (180) 15 Carolina Panthers Cam Newton Auburn 2011 (1) 21 Chicago Bears Jimmy Clausen Notre Dame 2010 (48) 23 Cincinnati Bengals Andy Dalton TCU 2011 (35) 29 Cleveland Browns Josh McCown Sam Houston State 2002 (81) 30 Dallas Cowboys Brandon Weeden Oklahoma State 2012 (22) 27 Denver Broncos Peyton Manning Tennessee 1998 (1) 28 Detroit Lions Matthew Stafford Georgia 2009 (1) 38 Green Bay Packers Aaron Rodgers Cal 2005 (24) 35 Houston Texans Ryan Mallett Arkansas 2011 (74) 26 Indianapolis Colts Andrew Luck Stanford 2012 (1) 37 Jacksonville Jaguars Blake Bortles UCF 2014 (3) 28 Kansas City Chiefs Alex Smith Utah 2005 (1) 40 Miami Dolphins Ryan Tannehill Texas A&M 2012 (8) 34 Minnesota Vikings Teddy Bridgewater Louisville 2014 (32) 20 New England Patriots Tom Brady University of Michigan 2000 (199) 33 New Orleans Saints Drew Brees Louisiana Tech 2004 (106) 28 New York Giants Eli Manning Ole Miss 2004 (1) 39 New York Jets Ryan Fitzpatrick Harvard 2005 (250) 48 Oakland Raiders Derek Carr Fresno State 2014 (36) 20 Philadelphia Eagles Sam Bradford Oklahoma 2010 (1) 36 Pittsburgh Steelers Michael Vick Virginia Tech 2001 (1) 20 San Diego Chargers Philip Rivers NC State 2004 (4) 30 San Francisco 49ers Colin Kaepernick Nevada 2011 (36) 37 Seattle Seahawks Russell Wilson Wisconsin 2012 (75) 28 St. Louis Rams Nick Foles Arizona 2012 (88) 29 Tampa Bay Buccaneers Jameis Winston Florida State 2015 (1) 27 Tennessee Titans Marcus Mariota Oregon 2015 (2) 33 Washington Redskins Kirk Cousins Michigan State 2012 (102) 33

Bravo ... great work Bandit ... finally a comprehensive overview ... the big question is who of the top 4 will drop and can we grab them .. based on above .. I'm good with any of the top 4 .. noting Darnold is probably gone .. seems likes its a battle between Mayfield and Allen for us ... unless we trade up to 2 . .which I'm not a fan of.

Now that's funny

Did the NFL draft drop from 32 teams to 12 ... many players won't be there where you predict especially round 2

As it relates to Fact # 1 .. please see the 2013 Bills draft .. EJ Manuel at pick 16 was our first pick in the 2013 draft

Zay ... Get Better ... the true Bills Family/Mafia is rooting for you ... I was very excited when the Bills traded up to draft you as I watched many of your games at ECU as my daughter goes there ... you have the talent ... get the help .. the video is not you ... prove the naysayers wrong.

Full disclosure purposes .. I was double thumbs up for the Zay pick last year as my daughter goes to ECU and I saw many of his games ... so given the longer history than most on this board ... I wish him the best first and foremost ... you go from watching the Sabres (his first hockey game) and selling season tickets at OBD in the past few weeks ... to this .. that was truly a bad scene and obviously some form of hallucination drug enhanced ... him getting better is the most important .. but this event is obviously a 1-4 game suspension issue per the NFL code of conduct policy correct? This may certainly have influence on the pick priorities come draft time.

I like Plan B .. but hoping we don't have to go to 4 ... guessing you think Broncos would take Mayfield at 5 .. if he gets by that .. then the next couple teams don't need QB .. so maybe we don't have to trade as much to get Mayfield .... I'm in the get Mayfield (at a fair price camp .. meaning not trading the world) ... or fall back to Rudolph and take Davenport at 12 as I don't think Roquan will be there

So Gunner ... if you were Beane .. are you sitting tight and go Rudolph at 22? Where do you stand on jumping the jets and going to 2 or waiting a maybe a smaller trade up from 12?

I'll take this

MMQB article this AM .. indicates there from a GM . there are 70 starter ready players in this draft ... so imagine if we hit .. 5 new starters in our draft ... LB, OL,RB, WR, DT (not necessarily in that order), .. plus McCarron, Star, Vontae, and Trent .. that's 9 starters added to last year's playoff team ... I'll take that.

McCarron = Garrapolo?? Buehler ... Buehler??