Cripple Creek

So, Watkins has maxed out his god given abilities. Got it.

I kinda like it. That was heat of passion though too. Lots of knee jerks. Now, if you find someone who was very anti and cannot admit today that they've seen significant improvement...now there's your problem right there, Lou.

Sorry, I'm not going back to look at game day threads. I typically avoid them game days so I won't subject myself to one now. People say things in the "heat of passion" and I'm not going to hold someone to that. The post I quoted seemed reasonable to me, likely because it was written when the OP was in a better frame of mind.

To each his own. Based on his draft position he is, to me.

I suppose you're also one of those @Gugny 's who also feel that a championship won in an abbreviated season would be tainted and not worthy of celebration?

perhaps the strangeness lies with those who prop up a rival Get with the program. Hate on those cheating mfers every chance you get.

Regarding BBO I searched back through 3/1. Zero, zip, zilch. Maybe you have him confused with someone else. @Nextmanup did say this: and I agree with every word of it. I don't see any hatred, zero; just like I don't feel any hatred. I have expectations and everything is on Allen's shoulders. If someone calls realistic expectations hatred then perhaps the problem lies within.

Maybe he got his ankles broke too?

Matt Milano has outperformed his draft position, he is not a bust and is a very pleasant surprise. Sammy has not outperformed his draft position by a very wide margin. That makes him a draft bust.

Still searching for this hatred. Can anyone show me the hatred? OP can't. Anyone gotta link?

Yes. Where he was drafted cannot be ignored. (IMO)

So, players shouldn't be judged based on their draft position and GMs shouldn't be judged based on their drafts. Participation trophies for all. Wonderful. Watkins was drafted #4. He has not come close to living up to that potential and based on draft position, he sucks. Whaley moved up to draft him even though he didn't have a QB to get him the ball, he sucks.

True, but the question was about judging a GM. If Allen, Edmunds, Harry, Oliver, Ford, Singletary, Knox all bust do you think anyone will be saying "but, Beane HAS done a great job, look at Johnson and Sweeney!?"

Can you point out any of this hatred?

Hit on 1-3 > hitting on 4-7. I know it's just a piece of the puzzle, but Whaley's inability to draft a solid QB and then risking much on a WR when he had no viable QB aren't helping him find a job. 1-3 is money, 4-7 is gravy.

Then how do we determine a GM's worth?

Suckitude is a relative value. Based on where he was picked, he sucks. The fault of where he was drafted isn't his. Much of what has transpired since, is his fault. He took a prove it deal for a reason as he has much to prove. Does he have value? Yes. Is his value as over inflated as it was? Not any longer. Maybe a one year deal will light his fire. Time will tell.

Why is he so old?

Why you're willing to fight to the death for this turd is beyond me.

Have a roll of those blue shop towels lying around? https://www.businessinsider.com.au/homemade-mask-using-hydro-knit-shop-towel-filters-better-2020-4

I know you didn't ask us, but, @Augie, @Gugny, @BringBackFergy & @CountryCletus are in full agreement. We'll be much happier if you wear the mask when you're around us.

You are polluting my pristine thread.

Some potentially promising vaccine information coming from Pitt. https://www.upmc.com/media/news/040220-falo-gambotto-sars-cov2-vaccine

You get one choice. That's the spirit! ?