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We have far too many glaring holes in our roster to consolidate that many picks, unfortunately.

Actually, those of us who supported assigning him a second round tender are well aware of that fact. We are also well aware of the fact that we will now have to pay more to keep him than if we had done so, which seems to be the detail that eludes you. Another fact that seems to escape your understanding is that the Patriots just offered him more money than a second round tender is worth, so the idea that no one would have traded a second round pick for him is now moot. So, there you go. The two most relevant facts support the argument that we should have placed a second round tender on him. And both of those facts were obvious from the start. It shouldn't have been hard for an NFL GM to deduce the sequence of events that followed. Hell, half the fan base saw it coming.

Imagine if Tyrod had Sammy to throw to. Wouldn't be the best QB/WR tandem in the league, but it would still be nice.

And the award for Most Obnoxious Post goes to... What a bunch of petulant nitpickery. If you are arguing that the Bills haven't been dominated by the Patriots in the Brady / Belichick era, you have already lost the debate, and no amount of middle school debate class semantics will save you.

Safety is a huge concern. I fear we will be watching a lot of big plays being given up next year if we can't figure that out. Losing Aaron the last couple years to injury and then permanently this off-season has, in my opinion, consistently created the biggest hole on our team. After that: WR, CB, RT, and LB in that order.

I don't think CJ would even be in the top five for me. He proved his value when we had an offensive coach who knew how to use him. He was an absolute baller that year, and that's more than a lot of first rounders can claim. I'd go with: Mike Williams, JP Losman, or Aaron Maybin. Not sure which of the three to choose for the top spot.

I think this lends a lot of credence to the suspicion that coaches and GM's saw what we saw: he mailed it in during the second half of the season. Couple that with the historical trend of Rex's schemes making LB's look better than they actually are, and Zach is going to be very disappointed. I hope we get him back on a one-year deal, he learns his lesson and goes balls to the wall from start to finish, and then we have enough cap space next year to re-sign him at a value closer to his full potential.

Obviously anyone who doesn't constantly troll threads by proclaiming Tyrod the worst QB of all time is clearly a cult follower of Tyrod. Get a grip.

Would you two please get a room? Seriously, it's not cute anymore. If you want to bash Tyrod, at least be relevant and informed.

You realize that all the fanatical anti-Tyrod trolls are also a cult, right? The guy has strengths and flaws. Only pointing out his flaws is just as silly as only pointing out his strengths.

Hey, man. Let's not get carried away. I agree that Taylor has some pretty obvious flaws about seeing and hitting open receivers, but that statement is more absurd than anything the CoT could come up with. You think there are only two or three plays a game where our receivers aren't wide open? Matt Ryan and Ben Roethlisberger couldn't even make that claim, and they're working with the best receivers in the game. We trotted out arguably the worst WR corps in the league this season. Don't try and tell us they were beating coverage on every single play.

Or it's just different people with differing opinions of the signing. Personally, I think the comp picks are being undervalued by a lot of people on this forum, but I also like Holmes and would be content with losing a pick for him. I can't say that for most of the other signings. Or all of them, barring Hyde.

The problem with that would be Wood's dead cap hit this year. Hopefully they can unload that contract on someone, but they should match Groy's offer either way.

That last point is indeed fortunate. Hope we match the offer even if it means over paying a backup for one year.

Also patently untrue. You guys are batting zero in this thread.

Option 1.

Sorry, I forgot this board was strictly for praising everything the Bills front office has accomplished over the last 17 years.

Of course I understand that. So, if we tender him and no team gives up a pick, we have a solid backup (and future starter) we can negotiate a long term contract with during a year in which he is a backup. Still no downside.

Yeah, a few other people have used this argument as well. Except it doesn't hold any water. If teams don't want to give up a pick, fine: we keep him for the same salary. But if there's a chance a team holds him in high enough regard, we get a 2nd round pick. You know what the odds are of us getting anything in return for him if we don't use that tag? Zero. So, the "odds are" literally infinitely better for us if we do use the tag.

Which we'll be doing anyway if we decide to keep him. And if we don't want to pay that, we get nothing instead of a 2nd round pick. I realize Wood's cap hit is prohibitive to paying Groy more than a typical backup, but the odds of Groy becoming a starter (again) in the next two years are too good to pay him as a typical backup.

That's almost exactly what the second round tender value is. Do you guys even know the basics of what you're trying to debate? I don't give a **** about Groy. I give a **** about our GM making the same mistake two years in a row after getting burned so badly the first time. Clearly, this year isn't as bad, but we shouldn't even be in this situation again.

Dude, it doesn't matter if they would or wouldn't have. There's no reason not to take advantage if someone ends up wanting him that bad. We have to pay the same amount to keep him either way.

I don't know what alternate reality you're following, but a team just offered almost exactly the 2nd round tender value. So now if we want to keep him, we have to pay that much anyway. And if we don't want to keep him, we get nothing. In my scenario, we would either pay him the same amount or get a second round pick. So, reality has in fact proven me exactly correct. So you're saying a player is worth his value regardless of whether he was an UDFA. Glad you agree. Or at least you agree until it doesn't suit your arbitrary argument.

It doesn't matter if the player was an UDFA, first of all. Players get contracts according to their value, not their original round. And if no team were willing to give up a second round pick, he's ours for the tender value. That's it. No negotiating. If he doesn't want to play for that amount, then he doesn't play at all. And that would be the only scenario in which we wouldn't get him or a second round pick. Much better play than risking losing him for nothing.

From Bills Wire: "With the roster bonus, Groy would be making $2.5 million in 2017, which is nearly $250,000 less than the second round tag for restricted free agents, had Buffalo chosen to use it." So, for a possible $250,000 we could have secured a starter or gained a second round pick. That's a no-brainer.