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That's unprovable, but just as plausible as if TT made a handful of more plays against Baltimore and Seattle, we also would have made the playoffs.
Baltimore has a far superior defense. And Tyrod played perhaps the best game of his career against Seattle. We lost that game because of a series of unfortunate events at the end of the first half and, again, an inability to make any defensive stands.
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We could've won other games. Like Baltimore and Pittsburgh?
Except this debate is centered on Tyrod's comparison to other QB's. No one thinks he is better than Flacco or Roethlisberger. There are some people who point to the Miami games as evidence that he isn't as good as Tannehill. That point is defeated by the fact that our defense lost those games while Tyrod played well.
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So why did we go 7-9 and they made the playoffs?
Run defense. If we hadn't given up historic yardage to their RB we would have made the playoffs and they wouldn't have. It's that simple.
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You could offer me 10 1st round picks and I wouldn't trade the chance to draft Manning Rogers or Brady.
You wouldn't need to trade anything to draft Rodgers or Brady. If those two were in next year's draft, we would be able to draft either one without trading anything. Rodgers went 24th. Brady, obviously, went in the 6th round.
The point is, teams pass on franchise quarterbacks all the time. And they also accept draft trades from other teams all the time. It just depends which team values which players. You certainly don't know that our future franchise quarterback will be impossible to acquire next year. The Browns accepted trades from other teams this year while passing on QB's until Kizer even though they are arguably the most QB-needy team.
Maybe the Jets pick up Kaepernick and the Browns and 49ers decide Kizer and Beathard are their guys. You don't know what's going to happen between now and next year's draft, but it's better to position yourself as well as possible instead of resigning to the possibility that you won't get exactly what you want.
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No, that's the record of the teams he played for in games he started.
The name of that stat is actually "Team Record in Games Started By This QB (Regular Season)".
Grading a QB based on how well the defense plays or whether the kicker makes or misses field goals is utterly ridiculous.
Please, for the love of God, help the Tyrod haters to understand this.
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Miami gave up more rushing yards and at a higher ypc than the Bills and made the playoffs with Ryan Tannehill and Matt Moore.
Okay, fair enough. But Miami also had the benefit of facing the other three of the bottom four in the league in defensive rushing ypg. Since the Bills and the Dolphins both beat the Browns and 49ers, let's look at the Bills / Dolphins games. Tyrod slightly outperformed Tannehill and vastly outperformed Moore in those games. He also was our leading rusher in the game against Tannehill, so he was clearly the better quarterback in each game. The difference is that we let Jay Ajayi rush for 420 yards. That's insane. That's almost unheard of. If you put an average defense out there against the Dolphins in those games, we win both and go to the playoffs while they sit at home.
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I am not here to discuss random defense stats. Someone said defense needed to be average next year in points per game when it already was.
I said they needed to be an average defense that gives up fewer than 24 ppg. Allowing 133 rush yards per game is far, far, far below average and will never get a team to the playoffs, whereas much worse QBs than Tyrod have made it to the playoffs and indeed won Super Bowls.
If you think rush yards per game is a random defensive stat, then maybe you shouldn't be discussing this at all. You're out of your element, Donnie.
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And this sums up how lazy people are to make arguments. No one "hates" Tyrod. It's stupid to say that.
That's funny.
But I hate winning 6 to 9 games every year. It gets you no where. I'd rather hit rock bottom and get a shot at a top qb in the draft instead of praying a 5th round will finally work out.
Okay, so you want to tank the season before it even starts. I'd rather not be a part of that embarrassment.
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The defense was 16th in PPG. That's pretty average.
29th in rush yards per game. That's a death sentence. Who needs points when you can just hang onto the football all day long?
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I'd rather go 2-14 with Watson than 8-8 with Taylor.
Uhh come again? This sums up the absurdity of the Tyrod haters extremely well.
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Go build the #1 defense in the league and get your ppg against down to 15 a game and I'll believe. Otherwise you will be outscored by better QBs.
We would have only needed an average defense that gave up fewer than 24 ppg the last two seasons and we would be in the playoffs. Tyrod is leading a top ten offense. Trent Dilfer threw for 1500 yards with 12 TDs and 11 INTs. There is no comparison between the two.
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Went with Watson. There's a chance he becomes their "franchise" guy as early as this season. Doubt he'll be this year's Dak, but the job is wide open for him with a great defense in Houston.
Mahomes is going into a great overall situation, but I don't see him winning the job over Smith anytime soon.
I like Peterman and I hope he can become the guy. However, despite all the naysayers out there, Tyrod is the co-linchpin of a top-ten offense right now, and you don't just toss that aside to take a chance on a 5th round QB. Also, as a general rule I try not to jinx what little chances the Bills have by betting on them.
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These aren't complex dots to connect. I know a little bit about how things operate over there and within that organization. All signs point to that being the case. What are you seeing that says otherwise? You keensaying "conjecture" but you are doing the same thing but without evidence to dispute the perception. The guy CLEARLY ran the draft. That means he's already done something most head coaches never do. His power isn't going to be diminished from there. He won't let it happen.
Actually, Pegula said Whaley ran the entire draft. McDermott also stated that Whaley made the first round trade happen.
I'm sure McDermott had a lot more input than most first year head coaches, but the evidence does not support what you're saying.
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already a thread on this.....way too many duplicates on here
Then don't bump it. Thanks for contributing.
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He is going too and when he does the price is going to go through the roof.
What is it about his first two years that makes you so sure of this? Because from where I'm sitting on Sundays, he is looking more like an early retiree than a junior year breakout.
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But if we step back and look at it as a whole, we spent the #10 pick in the draft and got 5 years of good-not-great CB play, and now have nothing to show for it - not even a comp pick.
Well it can't be both "5 years of good-not-great CB play" AND "nothing to show for it" eh? Contradiction in terms.
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After looking through scouting reports on the 3 we took, they all have at least one major flaw or question. And no matter how sure the Bills (McDermott? Whaley? Pegula?) are about the players we took, plenty of NFL minds have been wrong about more surefire prospects than these guys.
Literally everyone not named Myles Garrett has a flaw or question. If the draft were a sure thing, we wouldn't have any busts to talk about.
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I agree that it looked like a lot to pay to move up one spot, especially when the 49ers presumably had no interest in picking a QB.
However, I believe what the Bears paid for was the right to block another team jumping up and taking the 2nd spot and drafting Trubisky. SF was likely taking offers on that pick, and the Bears knew if they didn't pay up, the spot would go to someone else looking for the QB.
Correct. They paid a lot to move up one spot for reasons that did not in any way include an arbitrary chart value.
If another team were willing to give up more, the cost would have been higher. If no other teams were interested, the cost would have been lower.
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Infallible? Now not only are you making a scarecrow argument, you're inventing new nonsense words.
Instead of simply looking up a word you didn't know, you claimed it doesn't exist. That is a pretty strong indicator of your level of debate.
It is not "infallible" it is a guideline.
Yeah, that's exactly what we've been trying to tell you.
The Bills did not get enough in return on allowing the Chiefs to move up 17 spots as compared to the history of actual NFL trades made by actual NFL GMs.
There are examples of worse trades and examples of better trades. But they are all eventually determined by the actual value of players that each team acquired, which generally isn't known until the players get on the field. They can not be fairly judged based on chart values, because each one is based on a hundred variables independent of the nominal pick.
You think a player we could have gotten at #10 is worth more than the one we got at #27 plus the ones we'll get in the 3rd round and next year's 1st round? Fine. I disagree, but everyone is entitled to an opinion. I just don't think basing your opinion on a static chart value holds much merit when we see the true values of draft trades fluctuate so wildly compared to the chart values.
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We have no idea yet what next year's QB class will look like. Guys can easily stay in school or have down years. It can easily turn into a very mediocre class of QBs. Then next year people will be saying to wait until 2019 to draft a guy.
I've seen this argument a lot, and I certainly respect the hazards of attempting to predict future NFL drafts.
However, this year's QB draft class was predicted to be weak since before last year's draft and those predictions turned out to be mostly accurate. The difference between the opinions of the next year's QB draft class for 2017 and 2018, when each were still a year beyond, are so drastic that I can't help but be hopeful about next year's class.
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That is a spectacular post you got there budy. Really amazing logic.
Thanks. Wasn't sure if you'd be able to follow.
You and the Bears GM can justify that trade based on the chart, but the actual value favors the 49ers immensely. They gave up literally nothing and got several high picks in return. Your infallible, all-knowing chart does not apply in every situation, alas.
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It's a good pick but I thought in McD's scheme corners aren't important. I thought he was a zone guy
Might have re-evaluated that position when his defense **** the bed after Norman left.
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It's pretty standard.
It is math. It is not some type of opinion you can debate.
Run the actual numbers in the 2016 draft.
Run the actual numbers in the 9ers trade.
Oh - wow actual GMs in 2017 use the chart. shocker!
Run the numbers on how many future #1 overall picks you would have to trade to get this year's #1 overall pick using the "1-round deduction" for future drafts. Never gonna happen. These are guidelines, not straight math.
Also, everyone already knows the Bears got fleeced hard, so the fact that the numbers line up almost exactly should tell you how inaccurate they are.
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The wonderlic is measurement which has more to do with agent's preparation of client like any test you cram for. Some candidates may not take the preparation seriously (one top drafted QB in 2014 was supposedly partying in to early AM before test) and some may not have communication skills which will show up in interviews.
A significant part of being a successful quarterback is putting an absurd amount of hours into game preparation. If you need your agent to help you prepare or you choose not to prepare at all, I would think that would be more damning in the eyes of NFL scouts than would a low score.
PFF: Tyrod Taylor #2 starting QB in AFCE
in The Stadium Wall Archives
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Yeah, that's been my point all along. Tyrod isn't perfect, but he also isn't the reason we didn't make the playoffs.