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Imagine a late 1st, two second rd picks and three 3rd round picks. It's possible.... we may not have those three 5ths when it's said and done but we may be able to deal for 5 or 6 picks in first 3 rounds
We have far too many glaring holes in our roster to consolidate that many picks, unfortunately.
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I doubt NE signs Mike if it is a 2nd round tender, a fact lost on so many around here
Actually, those of us who supported assigning him a second round tender are well aware of that fact. We are also well aware of the fact that we will now have to pay more to keep him than if we had done so, which seems to be the detail that eludes you.
Another fact that seems to escape your understanding is that the Patriots just offered him more money than a second round tender is worth, so the idea that no one would have traded a second round pick for him is now moot.
So, there you go. The two most relevant facts support the argument that we should have placed a second round tender on him. And both of those facts were obvious from the start. It shouldn't have been hard for an NFL GM to deduce the sequence of events that followed. Hell, half the fan base saw it coming.
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Well-said. Imagine if Luck had Sammy to throw to. It could possibly develop into the best QB/WR tandem in the league.
Imagine if Tyrod had Sammy to throw to. Wouldn't be the best QB/WR tandem in the league, but it would still be nice.
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No facts are my strong suit - you specifically stated "any" which means they were never successful and said 15 seasons which includes 2003 as you said above. Not saying Bills were not dominated but not every game. You could have said "most" but over exaggerated to make your point. We have not beaten them YET in 2017 so statement 'not slowed down' is true right now since it is impossible to slow them down when we have not played yet.
As was taught to me in debate class: Exaggeration is a tool of the weak minded.
And the award for Most Obnoxious Post goes to...
What a bunch of petulant nitpickery. If you are arguing that the Bills haven't been dominated by the Patriots in the Brady / Belichick era, you have already lost the debate, and no amount of middle school debate class semantics will save you.
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Safety is a huge concern. I fear we will be watching a lot of big plays being given up next year if we can't figure that out. Losing Aaron the last couple years to injury and then permanently this off-season has, in my opinion, consistently created the biggest hole on our team.
After that: WR, CB, RT, and LB in that order.
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I don't think CJ would even be in the top five for me. He proved his value when we had an offensive coach who knew how to use him. He was an absolute baller that year, and that's more than a lot of first rounders can claim.
I'd go with: Mike Williams, JP Losman, or Aaron Maybin. Not sure which of the three to choose for the top spot.
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I think this lends a lot of credence to the suspicion that coaches and GM's saw what we saw: he mailed it in during the second half of the season.
Couple that with the historical trend of Rex's schemes making LB's look better than they actually are, and Zach is going to be very disappointed.
I hope we get him back on a one-year deal, he learns his lesson and goes balls to the wall from start to finish, and then we have enough cap space next year to re-sign him at a value closer to his full potential.
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Awesome, Another cult member from the Cult of Tyrod. Don't worry, reality will set in soon.
Obviously anyone who doesn't constantly troll threads by proclaiming Tyrod the worst QB of all time is clearly a cult follower of Tyrod.
Get a grip.
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3 words. Draft a QB
Hahahaha. Good one.
Would you two please get a room?
Seriously, it's not cute anymore. If you want to bash Tyrod, at least be relevant and informed.
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The CoT don't know they are in a cult. It's like the Moonies.
You realize that all the fanatical anti-Tyrod trolls are also a cult, right?
The guy has strengths and flaws. Only pointing out his flaws is just as silly as only pointing out his strengths.
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What's observable is that there were open receivers this year. A lot of them. I watched six games on the All-22, analyzing carefully. I found maybe two or three plays a game where Tyrod didn't have a very good option, a guy open in the area of the field where he had a chance to see them.
Hey, man. Let's not get carried away. I agree that Taylor has some pretty obvious flaws about seeing and hitting open receivers, but that statement is more absurd than anything the CoT could come up with. You think there are only two or three plays a game where our receivers aren't wide open? Matt Ryan and Ben Roethlisberger couldn't even make that claim, and they're working with the best receivers in the game. We trotted out arguably the worst WR corps in the league this season. Don't try and tell us they were beating coverage on every single play.
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TSW reaction after learning of signing: he sucks. Whaley sucks. Comp picks!!!
TSW reaction after learning the news was an error: Wtf! We actually want him!
Classic.
Or it's just different people with differing opinions of the signing.
Personally, I think the comp picks are being undervalued by a lot of people on this forum, but I also like Holmes and would be content with losing a pick for him. I can't say that for most of the other signings. Or all of them, barring Hyde.
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Hmmm....I wonder what the Patriots would do in this situation? Jettison Wood and his contract as he hits the downside of his career and sign Groy, saving lots of cap space and sowing up that hole in the roster for the next 4-5 years or stick with Wood and his high salary only to have to find a replacement for him in a year or two?
The problem with that would be Wood's dead cap hit this year. Hopefully they can unload that contract on someone, but they should match Groy's offer either way.
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There's no shortage of criticism when OBD makes a bad move. The Groy tender doesn't appear to be one, especially since the offer sheet is lower than the tender amount.
That last point is indeed fortunate. Hope we match the offer even if it means over paying a backup for one year.
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No but this forum also isn't for ignorant fools either...
Also patently untrue. You guys are batting zero in this thread.
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Option 1.This is what people are basically asking you. Which would you rather pay out?
2.7 Mil for 1 year or a second round pick.
An unknown amount of money for an unknown amount of time.
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The only blunder here is by you and many other weekend warriors who think you understand how to run a football team.
Sorry, I forgot this board was strictly for praising everything the Bills front office has accomplished over the last 17 years.
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Well actually if the Bills do decide to match they'll pay him as a backup for '17 AND get him for '18 to be a starter, if the Bills let Woods' contract run out, at backup G/C money. Do you not understand that? In your scenario the Bills only get his services for '17, as a backup.
Of course I understand that. So, if we tender him and no team gives up a pick, we have a solid backup (and future starter) we can negotiate a long term contract with during a year in which he is a backup.
Still no downside.
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Odds are the Rams or whomever wouldn't have offered Groy such a lucrative contract if it meant giving up a 2nd Round pick.
Yeah, a few other people have used this argument as well. Except it doesn't hold any water. If teams don't want to give up a pick, fine: we keep him for the same salary. But if there's a chance a team holds him in high enough regard, we get a 2nd round pick.
You know what the odds are of us getting anything in return for him if we don't use that tag? Zero. So, the "odds are" literally infinitely better for us if we do use the tag.
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No the Bills don't have to pay the same amount anyways.
Obviously you aren't understanding that the Bills could use the RFA tender to sign Groy for 2 years, not 1. And he's a backup C/G, you sign him to a 2nd round tender his camp believes he's a starter and therefore negotiates as such. It hasn't been determined yet, if he is in fact a starter. The Bills are unlikely to cut Wood this offseason considering his $4.3m dead cap hit. So you'd be paying Groy $2.6m to be a backup for '17.
Which we'll be doing anyway if we decide to keep him. And if we don't want to pay that, we get nothing instead of a 2nd round pick. I realize Wood's cap hit is prohibitive to paying Groy more than a typical backup, but the odds of Groy becoming a starter (again) in the next two years are too good to pay him as a typical backup.
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I'm not even sure you know what you are trying to argue anymore.... but you seem to hold Groy in very high regard, moreso than every NFL GM. His value is currently 2 yrs, 5 mill - backup OL money. That's not 2nd rd pick territory. Bills would be foolish to have tendered him that high.
That's almost exactly what the second round tender value is. Do you guys even know the basics of what you're trying to debate?
I don't give a **** about Groy. I give a **** about our GM making the same mistake two years in a row after getting burned so badly the first time. Clearly, this year isn't as bad, but we shouldn't even be in this situation again.
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You're assuming LA would want to give up a 2nd to get him, which is highly unlikely and therefore sinks your entire idea.
Dude, it doesn't matter if they would or wouldn't have. There's no reason not to take advantage if someone ends up wanting him that bad. We have to pay the same amount to keep him either way.
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I don't know what alternate reality you're following, but a team just offered almost exactly the 2nd round tender value. So now if we want to keep him, we have to pay that much anyway. And if we don't want to keep him, we get nothing. In my scenario, we would either pay him the same amount or get a second round pick.Maybe, but reality has proven you wrong here.
So, reality has in fact proven me exactly correct.
So you're saying a player is worth his value regardless of whether he was an UDFA. Glad you agree. Or at least you agree until it doesn't suit your arbitrary argument.What you're describing only comes into play with a guy like Malcom Butler, a udfa who elevated to a full time starter for 2 years at a very high level. Pats are using a 1st round tender because that's his value now. They know his negotiations won't be anything less. Not the same situation here.
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It doesn't matter if the player was an UDFA, first of all. Players get contracts according to their value, not their original round.this was already explained earlier. The reason teams don't give backups higher round tenders is because it hurts negotiations when they try to sign him long term. No one is going to give up a 2nd round pick, first of all, to sign a backup OL who was a UDFA. Or even a 5th. You aren't getting a pick for him. So if you do that, his agent is automatically jetting up his value by you setting the parameters so high. They did it exactly right per the value of the player. They knew it was highly unlikely he would get a big offer sheet. They know the value of the player.
And if no team were willing to give up a second round pick, he's ours for the tender value. That's it. No negotiating. If he doesn't want to play for that amount, then he doesn't play at all. And that would be the only scenario in which we wouldn't get him or a second round pick. Much better play than risking losing him for nothing.
Bills decline to match Gillislee offer sheet
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We'd have to hit on more players in a single draft than we have in the last four years to make that a reality.
Ditto.