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Just now, Billever76 said:
We lost when McDermott went for the FG on 4th and 2 to give us our first points.....prove me wrong
Agreed. Just another example of coaching to lose.
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1 minute ago, BillnutinHouston said:
And yet the Jets win on a punt return.
Yup. It's almost like special teams is a crap shoot and it doesn't matter if you pay 5 guys 5 times the league minimum to play only special teams.
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2 minutes ago, klos63 said:
Everyone seems to think play action is this amazing play, like defenses have never seen it before and they all get fooled.
I thought the game plan was effective for the most part, until Allen f'd it all up. We win fairly easy if not for 4 really bonehead plays by Allen. He had a few other bad passes that were not intercepted as well. He was pretty bad.
Play action is an amazing play. It's so good, it works even when you don't have a good run game. And Allen is one of the best QBs in the league when rolling out, so why not design it?
I'll tell you why: because our OC is an absolute dip ***** who doesn't know the strengths and weaknesses of his players.
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1 minute ago, AuntieEm said:
No he makes himself play for 2nd and 12 every drive because he won't wear out defenses by drinking and dunking all around the field they aren't protecting.
But if you want to get real about it, the Jets' whole philosophy on defense is flooding the pass routes while only rushing 4 defensive linemen. There are no areas of the field they aren't protecting. And they're also good at defending the run. That's why you need to scheme up plays that either draw the linemen in too far to defend against short yardage plays or scheme up plays that leverage mismatches. Dorsey did neither.
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Just now, AuntieEm said:
No he makes himself play for 2nd and 12 every drive because he won't wear out defenses by drinking and dunking all around the field they aren't protecting.
Drinking and dunking is what I am doing.
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31 minutes ago, SirAndrew said:
True, but those impossible tasks are exactly what I think hinders him from become a more mature QB.
Zach Wilson didn't have to make any great plays to win this game. A couple handoffs to Hall, a lob to Garrett Wilson, and a punt return TD. That's the difference between good coaching and whatever we have.
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3 minutes ago, HurlyBurly51 said:
Sure, based on their entire body of work, Mahomes is better than Allen. Anyone who believes the contrary is the ultimate homer😂
Depends what you consider "better." Allen is a better overall football player but Mahomes is a better QB. If you switched where the two got drafted, they'd probably have exactly the opposite number of Super Bowl wins. You need talent to win Super Bowls, but you will never win with inept coaching.
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1 minute ago, klos63 said:
I actually was ok with Dorsey most of the game. Against a great defense, we used Cook well, kept some drives going, safe first down plays... but Josh f'd up big time. You can't win with 4 turnovers and punt return against for TD. This game is all on Allen. Road game on MNF against a championship quality defense, you have to limit mistakes, Dorsey had a game plan to do that, Josh didn't hold up his end of the bargain.
Respectfully, wtf are you talking about? Every single time Dorsey called up a Cook run on 1st down it went for a loss. How does any QB succeed when they only have 2 downs to get over 10 yards? Especially against one of the league's best pass defenses?
You beat good pass rushes with play action and screens. The Jets' only defensive personnel weakness are the linebackers.
Zero play action. Zero screens. No mismatches in the middle of the field.
Fire Dorsey now. Replace him with literally anybody who can present a coherent game plan.
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Just now, ngbills said:
Actually worse. They play calling was atrocious and had no flow. We started off with two nice passes then two straight runs up the gut into Q Williams. Then go to what felt like 100 straight screen / swing passes into double coverage. Way too many passes to Harty like he is Tyreek Hill. Then ignore Harty and just run Josh draws. Then a decent drive with slants again. Then more delayed handoffs. No idea what the plan was.
Yep it was pretty much a foregone conclusion when they started the second drive with two handoffs to Cook for losses. You call that bull *****, you tell everyone watching that you are scared and incompetent.
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1 minute ago, AuntieEm said:
As the franchise QB they defer to his wishes too much. He's the important piece yes but he has to run the plays the oc calls and deviate only when absolutely the called play won't be good against the look Josh sees on defense. Its like Allen is trying to win mvp for year. Play smart and cut on the hero ball and he can have more of the perfect games like vs ,NE. He does that regularly and he'll win everything he wants to.
He played the perfect game against NE with a different coordinator. This new one makes him play from 2nd & 12 every single drive.
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2 minutes ago, Maine-iac said:
Jet's offense was never going to win this game if we didn't give them the ball 4 times.
They didn't need to. They just had to grab some guys off the street for minimum wage to play special teams and beat the guys that we pay multiple millions of dollars.
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5 minutes ago, Beast said:
Sorry, but Dorsey is not to blame for this game. The Bills should have won by two scores but Allen has his head so far up his own ass. Allen is completely to blame for this loss. It’s on him 100% and it has got to the point, going back the last few games of last season as well, that Allen is starting to become a big problem.Yeah those 1st & 10 runs for -2 yards were brilliant. Every time. No really, every single time it happened I jumped up and shouted " thank goodness for this OC who really knows what he's doing!"
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3 minutes ago, SirAndrew said:
Agree, but at some point you’d think an adult in the room would make him grow up. I’m not convinced this coaching staff connects with him in the best way.
The first two were just punts. The third was a desperate pass on a called low percentage out route. The fumble was just a result of what happens when you give your QB impossible tasks for 3 hours straight.
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Just now, Process said:
That was as bad as it can get.
Allen was the worst player on the field tonight.
It's only Week 1 but wow, what a disaster.
Allen was better than everyone except Diggs and Milano. This coaching staff couldn't develop a game plan against toddlers.
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How long does it take for the powers-that-be to realize WTF is going on? Because this ***** is insane. Losing twice to Zach Wilson is a regime-changing offense.
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Spencer Brown was a failed experiment last year. The fact that he's starting this year is an indictment of the GM and coaching staff.
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2 minutes ago, BBFL said:
Excuses man. All those throws that led to INTs were inexcusable. As was taking his eyes off the ball on the snap fumble.Yeah the fumble was all on him. Have to see the tape about the INTs. All I know is the Jets have one of the best pass rushes in the league and drop 7 into coverage every snap and there are zero play action plays and minimal 12 personnel plays. It's not rocket science. Dorsey has no idea how to game plan against specific defenses.
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1 minute ago, BBFL said:
No way man. Josh is my guy and I defend him more often than not but there no way the potential best player in the league puts his team in this position…What position? Having to do literally everything by himself?
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1 minute ago, Comebackkid said:
Where was this execution for the other 57 minutes?
This is just Allen throwing to Diggs. The first 57 minutes was Dorsey's design.
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2 minutes ago, ScottLaw said:
This. This Bills team is all Allen the last e years…this game is just proof. They are mediocre without him elite.
For *****'s sake guys. Mahomes looked like ass without Kelce. Burrow looked like ass with his entire offense intact. Allen is the best football player in the NFL. Yes, he makes mistakes. But he has arguably the worst OC in the league.
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2 minutes ago, HappyDays said:
It doesn't make sense. How does Allen deliver this performance? It's the worst game he's ever played. I don't know what they need to do to fix it but something has to change.
Because his OC is someone who wouldn't find work in high school.
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Just now, Dick_Cheney said:
This needs to be a wake up call.
If Rodgers hadn't gotten hurt we'd be the Giants right now.
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Just now, Lionel Hutz said:
That spot was a joke. He wasn’t even close to the first down.
Yeah he was a yard short and they gave him two feet
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1 minute ago, Drifter said:
Jets D is so damn good. Not confident here
They're over hyped. We gave them every single turnover unforced.
2023 NFL Season - Week #1 - Bills at Jets - Post game game thread
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Agree with pretty much everything except the TE. Knox is better at pass blocking and had one glorious catch where he ran over a defender, but Kincaid is clearly the superior route runner and pass catcher. He is as advertised.
Now we just need to find a coordinator who can utilize the best TE combination since Gronk / Hernandez.