jrober38

You're just deflecting. Most people in this thread agree that the biggest problem has been the lack of testing, which is completely controlled by the Federal Government. Pretending the NY State has the same resources as the US Federal Government is a complete joke.

Are any of the players you mentioned responsible for the lack of testing? I don't really trust the mortality rate anymore, but it's gone from about 1% two weeks ago to 2% now. As hospitals around the country get overwhelmed, it will likely keep creeping higher.

Hotels, restaurants and airlines are for the most part going to go out of business. I can't see them passing a bailout package big enough to help those sectors.

Banks lend money to people who shouldn't have it. People have credit cards who shouldn't have them. I get what you're saying, but I think the culture you're referencing has been mostly shaped by corporate America. Free will is at play, but most members of society have been moulded to predictably act and consume a certain way.

I 100% agree testing is the problem, and that falls entirely on the Federal Government.

I did watch. They're hoping they're outliers. Fauci knows they're not. Fauci has been saying for weeks this is going to hit every corner of the country. NYC is one of the most densely populated places on Earth. It was always going to hit there fastest and hardest. The issue is that without domestic travel bans, people have left NYC and spread this all over the country.

I totally agree again. The system is set up for this to be the average person's existence. People live pay cheque to pay cheque, are up to their eyeballs in debt, pay insane interest on their credit cards and ultimately spend way beyond their means. From individuals to corporations, everyone assumes the system will work... until it doesn't, and then everyone goes looking for a bailout.

LMAO Of course it was. The Federal Government, with their vastly superior resources compared to the state level was obviously not the problem. Their messaging over the past 35 days has been great. From calling it a hoax, to saying that when there were 15 cases there would soon be 0, they did an awesome job. Ding ding ding! Whose fault is the lack of tests? Last I checked the White House rejected the WHO's test so that they could develop their own, which didn't work, and they wasted 4 weeks when they could have just used the one that worked and started mass producing it in late January.

What event over the next 4 weeks is going to improve their models? With FULL MITIGATION they're saying 100,000 to 240,000 people are going to die based off their models. What factor is going to improve that model? Are we just hoping their math is wrong? Totally agree. Western Democratic societies have for the most part completely dropped the ball due to dragging their feet trying not to ruffle the economy's feathers.

Right!!! Travel bans didn't do anything. The issue is once you have it INSIDE your border, like Italy, Spain, the US, etc, it's too late. At that point you either lock things down and start testing as many people as you can like South Korea did, or you're pretty much screwed.

It helped. Unfortunately they completely dropped the ball domestically on a variety of issues.

Fauci was asked point blank, are you saying Americans should prepare for 100,000 people dying? He said yes.

A better analogy would be that after getting into your house, that one ant has since built a colony INSIDE the house, and every 2 days the number of ants in your house grows exponentially. Sealing the outside might help, but ultimately it doesn't matter.

Once it was here having a travel ban didn't matter.

Today's White House briefing clearly laid out that they think 100,000 to 200,000 deaths is the best case scenario. There's plenty to support this. The Federal Government sat around and did nothing for 6 weeks after health officials raised the alarm in late January. Suggesting that if they'd acted earlier it wouldn't have made an impact is absurd.

The flu averages between 30,000 and 40,000 deaths a year and in some really bad years it has spiked up around 70,000. As Dr. Fauci has said numerous times, this is about 10 times more deadly. Fauci literally said that they can expect upwards of 100,000 deaths. How is that not the best case scenario?

You don't seem to grasp that this is going to keep growing exponentially across the country. NYC keeps asking for 30,000 to 40,000 ventilators because that's how many people they anticipate being hospitalized in critical condition in 3 weeks time. Based on what I've read, there hasn't been any mutation yet. It could happen, but the only thing I've seen so far is that some Chinese research study concluded that it might have mutated into two different strains, but a bunch of American researches said the difference between the two is almost non existent. Everyone seems to catch the came bug which is why herd immunity was an idea many have floated under the assumption that once you get it you can't get it again.

A vaccine can eradicate it. This isn't a virus that's constantly mutating like Influenza. Your sentiment is great, but it won't work. 100,000 to 200,000 deaths is now the Federal Government's best case scenario with current social distancing guidelines. People aren't just going to go on with their lives with that many deaths.

They'll just have to keep bailing people out. No chance at all the winning election strategy will be giving in and voluntarily letting people die. Trump will just run up the debt and the deficit.

The science will kick in next year. There won't be a cure until the end of the year at the earliest.

The lock down will likely last at least two months. Anything less than that isn't realistic given the number of people who are projected to die in the coming weeks. Trump was in office for 3 years prior to this pandemic. The Trump administration shipped almost 18 TONS of PPE to China in early February.

China was literally locking people in their houses to quarantine them. The US "lock down" is nothing even remotely close to what happened in China. The US measures are more in line with what was done in Europe, which is why this thing is heading out of control.

They might be able to run their league and play games on TV, but I don't see any way they will be able to allow fans into the stadium to watch. Until there's a vaccine people aren't going to be able to gather in massive crowds like at sporting events.

No. Singletary, Yeldon and a late round pick are totally fine.

I agree with this. Social distancing is here to stay until there's a vaccine. At some point the guidelines will be relaxed, but the thought of NFL stadiums holding 60+k fans seems like a terrible idea until there's a vaccine.