jrober38

I don't see much of a difference between Rudolph and Bryce Petty. I don't see an elite NFL QB prospect. His game, and its fit in the NFL, looks limited.

No one needed a QB that year. Four 1st rounders went in 2004, and four 1st rounders went in 2005. You're right. I'm not a big Rosen fan. I think Rosen, Darnold and Allen all have big flaws.

Guys with his production don't work out in the NFL. You don't go from being an average college QB to a successful NFL franchise QB. Over the past 15 years, it just doesn't happen.

I'm sorry, but relatively speaking none of these guys had a quality supporting cast. Not a single QB on the list I just mentioned played with a future NFL calibre receiver. And if he played at a football factory, in a power conference, he'd have played against better competition. His better receivers, would have been covered by better corners. His better line, would have had to block better pass rushers. The supporting cast argument never holds up. As soon as you have to start making excuses for why a college QB didn't perform, you're talking about a guy who almost certainly has no future as a NFL franchise QB. His performance, relative to his competition, was not good enough. Guys with his resume just don't work out in the NFL. If you want a great shot at an NFL QB, look for the guys who dominated college football. The guys who turned mediocre programs into BCS contenders while they were there. All of the guys I listed (Luck, Newton, Mariota, Wilson, etc) elevated their program and got them into a major Bowl. The same cannot be said about Josh Allen. He was just a middle of the road QB in a really bad conference.

The "football professionals" draft horrible QBs every year in the first round. Just because they're professionals doesn't even remotely mean they'll be right. College QBR has proven to be a good way to project NFL success. Guys with a QBR in college over 90 usually work out. Players who achieved that: Winston Mariota Wilson Newton Luck Manziel (only bust from the past 7 years) Allen's QBR this year was 52.6. No successful NFL QB has anywhere close to that level...

I think the Bills will have a really tough time selling tickets if Peterman is the starter. If he doesn't work out, that's the type of decision that gets a front office fired.

This simply isn't true about my past. And for each guy you name, there are many more like them who didn't work. Paxton Lynch - great athlete, terrible QB. Christian Hackenberg - great athlete, great intangibles, terrible QB. EJ Manuel - great athlete, great intangibles, terrible QB. Blaine Gabbert - great athlete, terrible QB. Tim Tebow - great athlete, great intangibles, terrible QB. Josh Freeman - great athlete, terrible QB. Jake Locker - great athlete, great intangibles, terrible QB. Jamarcus Russell - great athlete, terrible QB. JP Losman - great athlete, terrible QB. Vince Young - great athlete, terrible QB. Jason Campbell - great athlete, terrible QB. Kyle Boller - great athlete, terrible QB. David Carr - great athlete, terrible QB. Tim Couch - great athlete, terrible QB. Akili Smith - great athlete, terrible QB. You get the idea. Newton and Allen are nothing alike. One is a quality football player who carried a team through a tough SEC schedule to a National Title, and the other was just a mediocre QB in a subpar conference.

Well you remember wrong. Geno Smith? Ummmmmmm, what? I hated that guy as a prospect. I was maybe the biggest EJ Manuel critic on the whole board. I spent years arguing with his fans that he was one of the worst QBs in the league. I think I even suggested at one point he should take the Logan Thomas route and give it a try at Tight End. My reputation over there was as an overly critical judge of QBs, and I was usually right. I hated Matt Barkley, I hated Blake Bortles, I hated Blaine Gabbert, I really hated Jimmy Clausen. All were popular Bills targets among Bills fans and I spent most of my time arguing with people about how terrible they all were. And I don't buy the lack of a supporting cast argument considering he played mostly teams with zero talent themselves. I don't see it with Allen. All I see is a guy who can only throw bullets, who lacks touch and struggles with short passes (the overwhelming majority of NFL throws are under 10 yards). I think his upside is Ryan Tannehill and his downside is EJ Manuel. I don't care how big he is. I don't care how fast he is. I don't care that he can probably throw a football 80 yards. I don't see a guy who can "pass" the football the same way quality NFL QBs can. He's a thrower who only has one speed, who didn't even come close to dominating the competition he faced. Drafting guys solely based off their physical traits rarely works out in the NFL. It's really hard to find a good QB at the NFL level, and I'm not betting the farm on a guy like Allen when so many guys like him in the past were complete busts.

It's the offense he plays in and the fact that they throw a ton of wide receiver screens that inflate his completion percentage, as is the case with most raw spread offense QBs whose accuracy deteriorates as they throw farther down the field. Every scouting report I've read about Rudolph questions his accuracy and ball placement. It says both are inconsistent, and each report also questions his arm strength as only being average. In my eyes there is nothing elite about Rudolph, and his inconsistent accuracy and limited arm tell me he's probably a guy with a really low NFL ceiling.

Why? Lay out each guys pros and cons coming out of college. They're identical.

I agree. If they fire him and bring someone else in I'd probably be excited. I'm just pointing out that I think it's unlikely, given McDermott's commitment to "the process".

Comparing Cam Newton to Josh Allen makes me want to puke. Cam Newton was a 5 star recruit, Heisman Trophy Winner who dominated College Football. He put a mediocre Auburn team on his back and carried them to a National Title. Josh Allen was a nobody coming out of highschool, and just an average QB in the Mountain West Conference. He can throw the ball a mile, and run fast, but he's not a very good football player and he's shown hardly anything that suggests he makes the players around him better. A much better Josh Allen comparison would be EJ Manuel. Same size, same arm, same mobility, same accuracy problems, same reputation for being a mediocre college QB who couldn't elevate his team.

Allen going #1 overall would be the worst #1 overall pick of my lifetime. Would be right up there with the Raiders taking Jamarcus Russell #1 overall.

I don't think there was much of an attempt to adapt. I think they wanted to run a WCO, and did little to put Taylor in the best position to succeed. When Taylor clearly showed he couldn't run it properly, they went to Peterman who they viewed as a better fit. He then had his meltdown, and Tyrod went back in and continued doing just enough (not making any mistakes) to win some games and keep us in the hunt. With the team contending for the playoffs, they had to stick with Taylor, even though I think the coaches were probably convinced that Peterman was a better fit to run the offense as they wanted it run. I'm fairly certain Taylor will be gone in the next couple months, and we'll bring in another young QB to compete with Peterman for the starting gig. Whoever they bring in will be someone who they're confident can make throws from the pocket, which is what Taylor has struggled with his whole career.

Please stop using college stats. They're completely irrelevant when projecting QBs to the NFL.

I'm not saying it does, I just don't think a rookie HC who preaches "trust the process" is going to fire his OC and start from ground zero when it was obvious that the QB we had this year couldn't do what the OC was asking of him. I suppose there's a chance they view one of the guys who just got fired as a clear cut upgrade. We'll see what happens, I just think it's unlikely.

There's a reason scouts watch the games and don't just look at the box score.

For the third time; they'll give him a QB who can run HIS SCHEME.

No, but I assume they're a lot of the things Rudolph doesn't possess. The guy is tall, and throws for a ton of yards in the Big XII, but his game doesn't translate to the NFL. doesn't have a big arm doesn't have any experience under centre doesn't have any experience going through progressions doesn't have elite accuracy doesn't have good mobility I think Rudolph winds up going a lot later than expected. Like I said, what's the difference between him and Bryce Petty? Sounds like he's describing a lot of what Baker Mayfield brings to the table.

No, my words are just something you aren't willing to accept. Trump promised a wall, and said Mexico would pay for it. As things stand, the wall is going to be nothing like the one he promised (won't cover the whole border, a lot of fence and limited bricks and mortar), and Mexico isn't going to pay a dime for it. When Trump compromises here on DACA and the Wall, the Republicans are going to get taken to the woodshed this November. The Trump MAGA agenda will prove to have been a scam that he either couldn't deliver or didn't fight hard enough for, with none of the major talking points having been delivered and most falling way short of what he promised to his base in 2016. Mid term elections are historically difficult for the party in power, and with the wall being the most high profile thing he ran on, if that falls way short of the mark and they grant amnesty to all the DACA kids, I think the Republicans can expect a lot of the swing voters to either flip, or stay home, and the Dems should have a really good chance at winning the house.

Not the ones that matter. His arm is average, he's not particularly mobile and he has no experience operating an offense where he's required to read a defense or call plays. His accuracy is also inconsistent and he was frequently bailed out by his extremely talented group of wide receivers. I don't see any difference between him and Bryce Petty coming out of college.

Like I said, they'll give him a QB who can run his system and then his evaluation will begin. Taylor isn't a good passer, so blaming the OC for the QBs obvious short comings seems foolish.

Dennison isn't going anywhere. They'll give him a QB who can actually run his scheme, and then his evaluation will begin.

Dennison isn't going anywhere. I think they'll make a run at Baker Mayfield to run their WCO. I'm just not convinced they'll be able to move up high enough to get him.

Prepare to be very disappointed. Trump ran on the promise that he'd build a great wall, and that Mexico will pay for it. Neither of those things are going to happen.