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OK, DDGo 444 cases and tell me if you don't get 3 covid news stories before anything else. Seems like they are pushing it more than Google, where 444 cases doesn't have a covid hit until the third item. Oops. This is a stupid discussion about a non-issue that you seem to be deeply invested in. Not everything out there fits your grand theory or whatever.

Except that I just googled it and showed the top two hits had nothing to do with Covid. Even posted the result for you (to ignore).

DuckDuckGo pushing those #s right to the top of search too. ### cases gets all the news hits for Covid. Shocker. Guess they are in on "it" at DDGo. Come on man, be real here. It's what people are searching for so it's on top of the search results. Jesus.

Google isn't conspiring with that guy very well: Search Results Web results List of United States Supreme Court cases, volume 157 ... en.wikipedia.org › wiki › List_of_United_States_Supre... This is a list of all the United States Supreme Court cases from volume 157 of the United States Reports: Case name, Citation, Date decided. Bate Refrigerating ... Metastases to the oral mucosa: analysis of 157 cases. - NCBI www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov › pubmed J Oral Pathol Med. 1993 Oct;22(9):385-90. Metastases to the oral mucosa: analysis of 157 cases. Hirshberg A(1), Leibovich P, Buchner A. Author information: by A Hirshberg - ‎1993 - ‎Cited by 259 - ‎Related articles

@Wyattsheepie is an unverified anon poster on Twitter with 950 followers. As good a source as any I guess if he says what you want him to say. I do note one of his followers is @BrianJohnsonTX "The Rubber Band Man of Ancapistan. Dog Whistler to Rothbardians. Atlanta Sports Fan" so he might be more credible than I think.

So...the most searched news item shows up at the top of a Google search? You don't say.

This is really the truth (not just about Covid). Clean narratives should be the ones you question the most. They might be right but usually the more consistent the story (especially if the story-writer is passionately invested), the less likely it is to be true. We are likely to see high cases with low deaths, and lower case counts with high deaths in different localities...it'll be an overall trend we are looking for.

I'm guessing 7-10 days from the recent spikes will tell if the hospitalizations will pop up, and maybe another 7-10 for deaths. If that all stays in control (whatever that means on deaths), it will be great news indeed. I would think middle of next week will give us early hosp data in FL. I want it to prove out since I was always in favor of going a US version of the Sweden plan (but I think there's no way we will be as compliant in masks as Swedes, and we lack some of Sweden's cultural advantages for dealign with something like this).

You're not well to joke about this. But you have a nice fan club. No one wants more deaths. It will be great if we have declining deaths And hospitalizations with the rising cases.

Let's see if any of your cadre corrects you on the science. You don't have to put everything through a political lens before you draw a conclusion. Never trust a consistent narrative. That's the one with the most fiction and least reality.

Who is this strawman poster who would be against fewer deaths?

As noted yesterday, bed availability increasing may not mean patient-in-bed availability. Someone should ask if they have doubled and/or substantially increased HCWs. Hospitals don't generally operate with 100% of their staff waiting for things to do.

What is this?

These figures are for North Carolina, but it’s been more or less the same everywhere. Covid-19 has underperformed. To be fair, so has our political/journalistic class. NC does not seem to have the same potential problem as AZ. That's not numbers, thanks. I doubt any state could double their ICU capacity in 3 months. That would require a lot of doctors and nurses to magically appear.

I don't know the answer but does Florida beds mean it has 2x the capacity to manage those beds or just literally beds. I bet it's the later. Hard to find all the HCWs needed to double capacity in just a few months.

Whatever their doctors think is best. I hope all they need is Tylenol. Thanks for your concern about my family. Arizona broke their record high of 2600 cases yesterday--3200 cases today. I assume they are now into their surge capacity (which means lower standards of care are acceptable in order to manage a crisis). TX pulled in a pedestrian 1600, which is good. I don't know if that's just a one-day blip or averaging out after a few super high days. Covid hospitalizations up though in another pretty big jump. Magox: That other site with the really good data is fantastic but too limited in its geography. If we could get those numbers in total by state, that would be great. No one that I've seen is gathering all covid hospitalizations by state.

I keep trying to explain this to you. The numbers are not MY numbers. They are THE numbers. And no, that is not the logical conclusion. We have a limiting resource in healthcare, and within that maybe some physical resources but likely the true limiter is in one of the HCW functions. It is that resource that I believe could dictate to some extent what happens. We cannot swamp out that system. That's saying FU to my wife and brother who work in health care, FU to patients seeking any kind of health care, and FU to those who will die because they can't get care for covid or other things. Some people may not care about doing that but I think we should be trying to find a way to be open and find a level that our HCWs can sustain themselves and both their covid and non-Covid patients.

Who is saying we should? I think we should be open. I don't think we should have shut down at all or at least when we did, not more than 2-3 weeks and only geographically where the situation was really dire (NYC clearly had a massive problem unlike any other place...and I noted many times where it ranks in the US in population density). But we need to watch the numbers because the one resource that can limit reopening is our ability to deliver adequate healthcare. And we need to watch the numbers to see if what's happening in AZ, TX, FL is a sign of things to come in other places that have reopened later, or a good sign that cases are rising and hospitalizations can be controlled etc or that they are taking their spike now because they never got hit hard in March/April (I think this is where we are headed...to a spike in the next few weeks and I hope, a controlled decline). I don't know which of those (or another) scenarios will be right, but what we are seeing now with the exponential case rise--so far--has only been followed by bad outcomes everywhere else. We can say, "Hey we're reopening, let's have a party" but we better be partying while watching what's happening. FL is about to host a ton of people from all over the country at an indoor convention...good to see if that still makes sense in a few weeks.

AZ just broke their record high set yesterday in a 25+% jump over yesterday’s count. If you don’t like the numbers, don’t read them. When higher cases mean fewer hospitalizations and deaths, that will be a good day. Now we wait and see where the exponential case growth in these states takes us. Are they just finally getting hit or are they showing what happens when you reopen, ie, it takes a while to see the exponential rise in the same way it took some time to go from case 0 in December to 100000 dead by June? Some contribution is young people needing to get tested and some is contact tracing but these were happening before these leaps. We have to wait it out now but I really was hoping the cases would level.

I have seen it. And there’s no way that he believes that today with 4000 and that being 20% of the nation’s recent case totals is good news. He was bragging about low case counts for months. If hospitalizations and deaths stay low, it will be great news. We can only wait on the data because he’s not going to take steps to mitigate.

It can play a role but we didn't invent contact tracing in the last 7 days. Cases presage hospitalizations and deaths everywhere else. It will be great if FL is the first place that doesn't see that.

4000 new FL cases today. This is ~700 more than the 3300 record set yesterday. We can keep trying to spin these giant case jumps as good news but they are not.

Yes. There's a slight uptick in non-Covid but that's been pretty level.

You need to look at the data in the link and not stick to your preferred narrative. Yes, using up 130 of the remaining 300 ICU beds available in TX in the last 4 days was all due to covid-positive patients. Some upwards change in non-Covid but that data is separately identified.