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No. The offensive line is playing very well -- we can always use more OLs, but our starters are fine. We do not need another RB. I don't see any issues at LB. Okay, we could probably use another WR. You got that one right.

Matt Araiza didn't rape anybody. If you read the police complaint, he wasn't even accused of raping anybody -- the accuser was very careful to make sure to say that she couldn't recall whether Araiza actually participated in the gang rape or not. You've been misinformed by people in the media. Edit: Also, a 17 year-old isn't really a "child" for the purposes of this discussion. She's a sexually-mature adult who can legally consent to sex in most US states and most of our peer countries. I'm guessing most of us were sexually active when we were 17, and we know that's normal.

Man, I completely disagree with most in this thread. The SF player threw a punch at an Eagles official. The fact that the punch didn't land is irrelevant. They were right to disqualify him.

I'm leaning very strongly toward "this guy needs to be gone." I take accusations against pro athletes with a heavy grain of salt, but if it was enough to lead to an arrest warrant, that's enough smoke for me. I'm open to counter-arguments, but I'm fine if the Bills cut Miller and move on. What a disappointment. Also, they should bring back Matt Araiza, who was genuinely mistreated by this organization, its media, and its fanbase.

I don't think this team is good enough to go 5-0 the rest of the way, especially not with games against the Chiefs and Cowboys on the schedule. Sorry. This year's team just hasn't shown that they're particularly good.

Well, we ended up losing the game. Worst case scenario is Josh gets pick-sixed and we lose in regulation -- same result. If we're playing the "what impact did it ultimately have?" hindsight game, there was literally no downside to putting the ball in the air there. We had a chance to win a game that we would go on to lose.

I would be happy with OC Frank Reich. I would not be happy with HC Frank Reich.

Poyer and Hyde were great signings. You're evaluating them today at the very end of their careers, but when they were signed they were exactly the sort of undervalued assets that you want your GM to uncover.

I hated the decision to kneel it out. For all we knew, we weren't going to see the ball again. We wouldn't have seen the ball again if we had lost the coin toss. I'm ready for a coaching change. This is exactly what people mean when they say "playing not to lose." (My apologies if a bunch of other people have pointed this out already -- I'm not reading this whole thread.)

Honestly, no. I love the guy, and I'm extremely grateful for what he's done for this franchise. But as an outsider looking in, it definitely seems like he's lost the locker room. Maybe I'm wrong about that, but he runs such an opaque organization that I no longer feel bad about reading tea leaves and drawing inferences based on what we see in public. And besides "missing the playoffs with a healthy Josh Allen" was always a bright red line for me that would indicate something having gone very wrong with this team. We're going to have a new OC next year, and probably a new ST guy. Ownership should insist that we bring in a proper DC. If we're going to have an all-new group of coordinators, why not start over with a new HC too? We know the roster needs a bit of mini-rebuild. Now's the time to make a change.

This game wasn't a gut punch at all. The season essentially ended several weeks ago in London -- it's just that people were reluctant to admit it. And if you go back further, I am very firmly convinced that something happened with this team during the second half of the season last year that caused the locker room to drift away. This team has been very clearly underperforming for about a full calendar year now. I'm coming around to the idea that we need to make a change at HC. This team needs a new attitude.

I'm not ready to jump on the "Fire McDermott" train quite yet, but I'm going to be very interested in seeing how the rest of the season goes. At this point, I would insist on a new OC and new DC. Those are both non-negotiable IMO. I would not be opposed to a change at HC if that's what Pegula decides to do. We know we're going to have some roster turnover this year, especially in the secondary, so it's not a totally inopportune time to make some coaching changes.

I think the analytics pendulum has swung too far, to the point that people are refusing to see what's right in front of them. Digression. During Josh Allen's first year, I saw a player who was capable of winning games all by himself. He was raw and basically uncoached, but he had plays each game that reminded me of people like Steve Young and John Elway. Yes, I was comparing our first-year QB to two HOFers. Today it's fashionable for people to pull up Allen's stats from his first couple of years to talk about how "bad" he was back then, but the fact is that if you actually watched the guy play, he was very obviously good, not bad. He was only bad if you just looked at the stats and never watched any games. By the eyeball test, this was definitely a guy that we could build around. In 2023, it's not like that. I know the stats are good, and Allen still makes 2-3 dazzling plays every game. He didn't turn into a pumpkin after week 4. But just watching the guy play, it's not the same offense. He's incredibly reluctant to scramble, he doesn't seem to roll out as much, and it feels like he's playing with one hand tied behind his back. His accuracy is great and he doesn't air-mail guys anymore, but things are very obviously not clicking. He looks less like a guy who should be on the cover of Madden and more like a rich man's Phillip Rivers. I'm saying the stats are wrong of course. Just that you're missing something if only look at the stats and don't pay attending to what you can see with your own two eyes. Stats are an important part of the picture, but they're not the whole picture.

None of us know exactly what's going on in the building, but it's probably not a coincidence that (a) the offense seems ill-conceived and not a very good fit for Allen's skillset and (b) Allen seems a little unenthused about running said offense. Bring in a real OC and let's see what happens.

The offense is a bigger issue right now because the only way we can possibly win games against teams like Cinci is to win a track meet. We absolutely need the offense to be great, because the defense is what it is (bad).

The Bills still have a decent shot at the playoffs. But I agree that it's probably time to think about next year. This team isn't going to do anything in the postseason even if they make it there. Dorsey cannot return next year. If I were Pegula, I would insist on an experienced OC. We wasted two years of Prime Allen -- no more. We'll need to do some serious retooling, but frankly it isn't going to be that difficult to do given that we have a franchise QB (that's more important than every other position combined) and weapons in the passing game especially our rookie TE. Our DL will be fine with or without Von and our LBs are in good shape. The secondary will need a lot of work.

Because it's just another example of inexplicable officiating. Did it change the outcome of the game? No. Was I worked up about it at the time? No. Was it the right call? No. It is good for officials to call a clean game and bad when they don't.

I'm sorry man, but this is a very bad take. The Bills have lost two of three and should have lost three of three, all against grossly inferior opposition. And we played like dog**** in all three games. We are probably missing the playoffs in one of Josh Allen's prime seasons. FOH with this head-in-the-sand stuff.

It can simultaneously be true that the Bills richly deserved to lose this game and also that the officials were wrong to pick up this flag.

I wonder if this will create any opportunities for any other guys on offense. Particularly guys who play TE. (Obviously I'm talking about Quentin Morris here.)

Josh is not the problem. The offense Josh is trying to run does, however, appear to be a problem.

When we went up by 3 yesterday, I honestly expected that we would hold on for another ugly loss. I told my wife that while this sucks, it felt like during the drought that every other game was exactly like this one and the Giants game, and we lost like 85% of those. That was definitely worse than this. (Even though we went on to lose like a pathetic drought-era team).

Sure, but the offense did score 25 points. That should be plenty to secure a comfortable win against a team like NE. If you're saying that the offense needs to score 30+ every week, then we might as well just concede that the season is over. That isn't a realistic expectation.

I agree, but also there's no reason to do anything right now. For better or for worse, we are stuck with this coaching staff until our season ends one way or the other. We might as well sit tight and see how the remaining 10 games go. If we go 10-0 from here and make a deep playoff run, nobody will remember the last three weeks. Not that I expect that to happen, of course -- just saying.

Allen was picking fights with LBs last week. I think he'll be fine if we can get somebody who can devise a competent gameplan.