4th&long

Need a little context here, who is Jim trotter? how do we know Terry said this? Is it being made up? If he did say it might as well put the for sale sign out front of obd!

This is what I was thinking. I thought we were going to get some facts on Dorsey and what he is doing wrong. i am not defending Dorsey tho, it seems like the further we get away from dabol the worse Josh gets.

I hear ya. I was just hoping this one will finally sink in because of the magnitude of it. He has made bad plays and cost us before but not like this. To me this game falls squarely on his shoulders. Those 4 turnovers were just brutal. We win that game 13-3 or so without them. Good enough for me. If that is not a wake up call he will never have one.

I’ve never said it. He says it but never follow thru on it. My hope is that the embarrassment of the loss and the fact that it can be pinned totally on him finally changes him. he thrown bad picks before but I don’t think a loss could be pinned squarely on him like that since his rookie season probably.

I think this game might finally wake Josh Allen the ***** up and he will stop being a turnover machine. He is the single reason we lost this game and he knows it and he knows he’s sucked. If the result of this loss gets him to finally realize that a lot of good will come from it. on the flip side of this game doesn’t teach him that we are screwed.

He just looked old.

There is no excuse. This is all on Josh. He was a turnover machine. The only thing good that could possibly come from this is Josh finally learns to protect the ball! We can’t win with him being so careless!

Can he play wr?

You obviously can’t read, the article said he lost the weight in 5 weeks. Then they put him on a more conventional diet. so let’s break this down. what is everyone freaking out about? an offensive lineman put on some weight, probably comparable to about 15 pounds for me and you. Lost it in 5 weeks, don’ spent the rest of the off-season, approximately 5 months getting ready for the season! We are freaking out over a guy who showed up to training camp in shape for the season!! Because that is the reality of the situation. now I’m not arguing he is the best left tackle in football. sure the bills can do better and maybe they will, when they have the cap space. but at this point he is out left tackle and if anybody read the rest of the article I am expecting a great season from him based on what he said. after all, all the info we have on this subject came from this article. everyone choose to focus on the negative, not unexpected on here, but if you actually read the whole article he said he knows he needs to be all pro, not just pro bowl. With him knowing that I would expect he put in the work over the last 5 months to achieve that goal. i personally don’t care if guys spend the first 6 weeks or so of the off season getting away from football and all that goes with it to get a mental and physical break. Get your mind right and get back at it. Considering we are all bills fans, I think, all we can do is root for him

Seriously? You think he doesn’t work hard? You think he’d be where he’s at without working hard? You think the bills would give him a second contract if he didn’t work hard? again, this is a thread about an offensive linemen that came to camp in shape. He put weight on which for a man his size was not like it would be for me and you, lost it by the end of the first week of April or so according to the article, and continued for the next 5 months to get ready for this season. did the article say he was not in shape last season? did the article say he didn’t work hard? Please point this out to me. Where do you get this info? Did you watch him in the weight room? At the closed practices? I didn’t think so! do you people even know where he was ranked last year? out of 160 starting offensive linemen in the nfl, that’s all guards centers and tackles for those who jumped Thru too many tables and don’t comprehend, he ranged 22nd in run blocking and 38th overall. He gave up 3 sacks. Not bad for a down year. Not great, room for improvement, but not nearly as bad as people are trying to make him out to be. Not even close. You are trying hard and failing. There is a reason he is making millions in the nfl and you are a hater on a message board.

People trying to make something of nothing. He clearly said there wasn’ta thing. You can tell he has never lifted weights or watched film in his life. On the same level as Johnny menziel.

An offensive linemen gaining weight early in the off season and losing wrist before the season starts? How many times you think that has happened in the nfl? Are you kidding me? And people are losing the mind over it? That’s the problem, people with no life hating on Dawkins for getting in shape before the season started.

Right about now!

I’ve seen about 10 penalty’s so far! mic’ed up the parents now? Gtfo!

Did anybody actually read the article? He put on 40 pounds by the end of February. Went on an extreme diet, lost all that weight in 5 weeks! That’s like the first week of April. He’s been on a more conventional diet since. Plenty of time to get his strength back. That’s 5 months. And just cause somebody has body fat does not mean they are not strong, in shape or quick and agile! Some people are just freaks of nature. a friend of mine is about 6-3 200lbs and wash board abs, dunk a Bball, quick as a cat. He likes to mess with his brother 6-3 or so also, easily over 300lbs. So skinny ripped guy messes with big bro and takes off running, big bro catches him. Big bro is quick and fast. Freak of nature.

Is there any other good message board anyone knows of?

15-2. Sweep the division.

I don’t get the negativity this time of year either? This should be the time for optimism. Everyone is healthy they made some nice additions. And most of all Fraizer is gone!

I agree. You just have to consider the source. I have been fighting it on another message board. It’s a waste of time. I got to the point I told people I’m not there to change their mind, I don’t want them to change who they are. You know when the bills do good they will be cheering saying I told you so.

You can’t get upset about it. I just read some posts on message boards and think yup now I know who is jumping thru tables.

Considering he was the one holding them back I would say he’s right.

I like people who are doom and gloom to stay there. I don’t try to change anyone’s mind. If there can’t look at a roster and evaluate it, so be it. Not to mention we are better just by our players being healthy. Let’s hope they can stay healthy!

Allowed 4 sacks and had 9 penalties in his two years at Chicago. 25 games played with 23 starts.

You think we’re going to get great back up right now? lol

That’s great. Still a lot of silly speculation, especially if they are not losing money.