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Eight and he has only lost three. The game was played in a rainy, windy environment that wasn't conducive to a lot of passing. Yet the Bills OC calls for 34 passes vs 24 for the Eagles. The opposite for the run game which should have been the focus of the Bills offense on a lousy weather day Bills 20 rush attempts for 98 yards vs Eagles 41 rushes for 218 yards, 3 TDs. Another big factor that not many mention is all the penalties on the offense that helps kill drives. Plus the game calls coming in late now and again that the offense uses a time out or when they run out of those they take a delay of game. What's gonna happen when the snow gets here...is the OC still going to go pass happy when he should be pounding the rock? Oh, and on another note. The Eagles beat the 7-1 Green Bay Packers in Green Bay. So, they can be formidable.

Wasting your time with this one.

Josh hasn't looked good in the first half of games for most of the season when the team comes out passing. The second series first play was a six yard pass completion, so It wasn't like the 1970s. The Bills were basically dominated on both sides of the ball on the lines. The Bills run D had a bad day and the O line had a bad day. Although the Eagles looked to shut down Gore pretty good. Singletary looked somewhat better. From what I see Daboll gives up on the run to quickly at times and playing in a rainy, windy day asking the QB to throw 34 times was simply not the right thing to do. Its a 16 game season and games like this happen. I don't blame the QB who threw 2 TDs and no INTs.

On the contrary, I think you are! https://billswire.usatoday.com/2019/10/23/report-bills-on-the-hunt-for-wr-at-trade-deadline/ Per a report from ESPN’s Dan Graziano & Sports Illustrated’s Albert Breer. Both are pretty big names and several different sites picked up on that story. Exactly how many links do you need to see before you comprehend the term widely reported? Google it? Actually, never mind! Clearly, there is no conversing here. Its just one opinion that matters.

It wasn't? https://www.newyorkupstate.com/buffalo-bills/2019/10/buffalo-bills-kicking-the-tires-on-wide-receivers-had-interest-in-emmanuel-sanders-report.html "As the NFL trade deadline nears, another report has surfaced that the Buffalo Bills are looking to upgrade at the wide receiver position. The latest report comes from Sports Illustrated’s Albert Breer. In his latest article on the NFL trade deadline heating up, Breer mentioned Buffalo among the teams looking at available wide receivers." https://www.buffalorumblings.com/2019/10/24/20931004/nfl-trade-rumors-buffalo-bills-pursued-sanders-still-seeking-wide-receiver-emmanuel-sanders-interest From Oct 24th, same source, different site. Another day, another report that the Buffalo Bills are seeking to upgrade their wide receiver corps via a trade. Late Tuesday, word came down that the Bills were “on the hunt” for a receiver and today they are “kicking the tires” on wide receivers, according to The MMQB’s Albert Breer. ----------------------------- They might have been refereed to as "smurfs" by McD. However, Zay Jones is 6'2'' & Duke Williams is 6'3'' 225 lbs. ---------------------------- Dude, take a zanax or start heavily imbibing as you need to relax. The Eagles also beat the 7-1 Packers in Green Bay! BTW, Allen completion percentage previous to this Eagles game was at 63% and after is still 60.1%. This loss was not on the Buffalo Bills QB. He didn't allow 31 points and couldn't stop the Eagles from running 41 times for 218 yards, 3 TDs!!! Allen didn't decide to call 20 run plays vs 34 passes. The QB didn't cause 8 Buffalo Bills penalties for 57 yards. My entire point in this thread was to comment on the Bills OC who is not doing a very good job with the offensive scheme. The entire focal point of the offense is placed on the young QB's shoulders to make plays from the start of the game and it clearly isn't working. The Bills are averaging 8.5 penalties a game and mostly from the offense! The team keeps using time outs on offense and at times have taken a delay of game because the play isn't getting in quickly! Offensive play calling is very suspect! That's all on the Bills offensive coordinator!

It's been widely reported that the team is looking for another receiver and were in talks with Denver about Emmanuel Sanders who ended up in SF. So, if Brandon Beane was happy with all that separation the current receivers are getting, why would he be looking for another WR? Matt Barkley came in for Allen against the Patriots and played around ten min of the 4th QTR. In that time he threw an INT, he was sacked, he fumbled, called for a penalty because of a delay of game because he didn't get the play off in time. The Bills line also was called for a false start...so its not just on Josh Allen. As to the frustration in why Beasley slammed his helmet, its easy, because they just didn't connect on that third down play. Josh was hitting the deep ball a lot last season and he is not hitting them this year. Lots of QBs have misses now and again. Allen currently has a 62.4 completion percentage and Brown is the second most targeted with the better completion percentage. 73.3 vs 65.2 Beasley is the more targeted receiver with the lesser completion percentage despite that he might get more separation.

How much more proof do you need to see to understand that although Allen has a great arm, that is he is still very raw and developing as he plays. Clearly, he should NOT come out throwing and be the focal point of the offensive scheme at the start. He is not an elite starting QB just yet. First off, most every draft pundit stated that Josh Allen was a "project" QB that needed to sit and learn for a year. Instead he was thrown into the fray in the very first game because this coaching staff miss judged the starter in Nathan Peterman. You yourself stated you thought Allen was graded as a third round pick and needed time to develop. Plus, the Bills don't have that "go to" receiver that is always open, always getting separation! Not at the WR position or the TE position. Or, the pass play designs are not allowing the receivers to find those open lanes. Some have been, but mostly not. I go back to that first drive in the second half of the Miami game in which the offense came out running with four straight runs and ended a 98 yard TD drive with 6 passes, 6 runs and Josh going 6 for 6 passing. That drive was also marred by a -10 yard holding penalty on Buffalo, which they overcame. You may see Josh as a QB that needs to throw from the start to find rhythm. I think he needs to realize the onus isn't on him to make all the offensive plays from the start and thus is calmer, more settled down as he plays. He didn't start the second half of that Miami game by slinging it all over as the Bills came out running, found success and allowed Josh to get into a rhythm quickly because he wasn't being forced to carry the offense. What we are seeing is the reason as to why Brian Daboll has never fielded a passing offense better then 23th in yards in a season out of five seasons as an NFL OC. Most of the time his offenses have been near last. He's just not that good.

After today's loss I wouldn't pencil in any wins as both Miami and the Eagles showed the Bills biggest weakness on defense and offense. The Bills defense can't stop the run! And the Bills OC gives up on the run game expecting the young, inexperienced QB to carry the offense game after game. The current OC sucks and it was most evident today! Against Miami the team got two turnovers by the Bills defense and a TD by special teams. Nobody can reasonably expect this to happen each week. I shudder to think what will happen against the Ravens with their league leading rushing offense.

I agree with this! I yearn for the days with Greg Roman, Anthony Lynn. and the days of having the #1 rushing team in the league! I was concerned about the run defense before the bye week against some good RB's and now after the bye Miami ran on them, so did Philly. Out rushed 2018 yards to 98.Only 20 rushing attempts by Buffalo vs 41 for the Eagles. I complained last week about the stupid drive killing penalties and the lack of discipline by the Bills and it showed up again today. The Bills are averaging 8.5 per game and today was no different with 8 penalties for 57 yards.

The Penalties are stupid drive killing mistakes that are hurting the offense! Where's the discipline? The lack of building a power run game with two really good RBs. Singletarty averaging 6.3 Yards per carry average! Gore 8 carries. Singletary 3 carries...meanwhile the Eagles rushed 41 times for 218 yards. WTF! Good thing Matt Miliano was back as he led the team in tackles with 13 TOT, 10 solo. Dumbell needs to stop making the QB the focal point of the offense and run that damn ball!

Gosh Darn Josh Allen... he allowed 31 points today and he couldn't stop the run!!! And, he didn't block very well for the Bills run game!!! Not only that, just because he led the team in rushing doesn't mean the OC didn't call enough run plays in the rain...what a...

Eagles pounding that Bills run D...kinda sad

Pederson is giving Daboll a lesson on how to design run plays...

I dunno, I get this feeling that father time will finally catch up with Brady near the end of this season or perhaps an injury. I can see all five of those teams giving the Patriots trouble and perhaps even Miami. I can dream can't I?

I dunno about that. The Patriots play Cleveland this week and after that it could get tough for them They play @ Baltimore, @ Philly, Dallas at NE, @ Houston, KC at NE, @ Cincy, Buffalo at NE, Miami at NE That looks to be a tougher schedule than Buffalo's with five teams with winning records on it and the Bills only play three. Like the Bills, the Pats have played a bunch of losing teams so far. Buffalo has a real chance to take the division

Yep, so far. Not saying much though with a negative 15 point differential. 171 PF -186 PA The Eagles are in disarray with a very bad secondary...provided they don't get their injured DBs back for this game. Plus they don't have WR DeSean Jackson. Seven Eagle starters DNP this week and two of them OTs. The teams the Eagles have beaten, Redskins, Packers and Jets. On another note. Upcoming games against 3-4 Eagles, 1-7 Redskins, 0-6 Miami, 2-4 Cleveland, 2-5 Denver, 2-4 Steelers, 1-5 Jets...Bills 7-0 against these 7 teams with losing records? However, the Bills play the NFC East leading Cowboys 4-3 on Turkey day, the AFC North leading 5-2 Ravens on 12/8 and the 7-0 Patriots at NE TBD. 12-4 or better a real possibility?

Of course the HC and staff want to win as their jobs depend on it. Its the GM and owner who decide to tank. The most obvious tank was the Colts for Luck! Their OC retired just weeks before the season and they decided to bring in a new vet QB just weeks before the season who had no clue about their offensive scheme. Polian lost his job... but they got their guy! Seems ironic to me that they fired the GM who tanked them and picked the right guy...then hired a boob GM who didn't understand the concept of building a decent O line to protect that rookie. The thing is, even with a top 10 pick there is no guarantee that this losing team will get better until they hire that top GM, scouting staff and HC. Cleveland and Buffalo are clear examples of this. The Patriots picking in the last 10 out of 30 and going to the SB year after year proves the draft isn't all that important as some think it is.

All regular season games are important and this is a against a team that is reeling at 3-4. Especially after their HC says they will beat the Cowboys and the get trounced. The Eagles offense is mediocre as is their defense. Offense 14th PF, 23rd Yards. Defense 24th PA, 18th yards allowed. This team has some fans thinking that they should have kept Foles.

I truly believe it's Josh Allen that is making Brian Deboll look half way decent as an OC. Look at last season as Daboll was so intent on making his offense work he called for more deep passing plays more often then any other NFL team. And, he did that with Peterman and Barkley too. Calling for deep passing plays when you are fielding the very worst offensive line when those deep passes take 3-5 step drops which requires more then 2-3 seconds in the pocket...which no Bills QB had consistently. Kinda stupid IMO. When Josh proved his potential as a runner escaping for his life behind that bad line, then Daboll put in QB run plays. This season the offense is doing better but this OC has Allen starting the game throwing which is exactly what you shouldn't be doing with a young, inexperienced QB still learning his craft. Frank Gore is averaging 4.5 yards per carry, Yeldon is also averaging 4.5 yards per carry, Singletary is averaging 9.0 yards per carry. Gore also leads the Bills rush game in broken tackles. Last game the Bills started the first series with Gore gaining 8 yards and on 2nd down and 2, the next two plays are passes, why? Josh has started almost every game coming out stumbling with passes first against all sorts of different defensive looks. Thus making this inexperienced QB the focal point of the offense. Why not come out running and when the defense moves to stop the run it opens up the lanes behind them. That first drive in the second half of the Miami game the Bills came out running with 3 straight run plays for 22 yards and finished up a 98 yard drive with 6 runs, 6 passes for a TD and a 2 point conversion. They even overcame a -10 yard holding penalty on that drive. Allen went 6 for 6 on that drive.

Of course Beane is looking... as he is always looking at every position. He was probably looking at Sanders, Sanu too. These aren't the droids you are looking for...move along.

Like GunnerBill stated, this is an offense that usually comes out passing. Now, consider that WR John Brown has stated that this current Buffalo Bills offense is the most complex offense he has been involved with. There is a real reason as to why Josh Allen comes out stumbling most games. Its because the offense is on his shoulders to make plays. At this point in his development he should be part of an offensive scheme and not the focal point of making things happen. The Bills say they don't want Allen to play "hero ball" and yet that's exactly what he usually needs to do to win the game with the comebacks in the second half of many games this year. (If he wasn't knocked out of the game by the Patriots cheap shot, some say he could have had another comeback win.) My point being, is the Bills defense is ranked currently #3 overall and would look even better with a run first offensive scheme that led the NFL in rushing like it did under Roman and Lynn in 2015-2016. The Bills now have a QB that isn't afraid to throw it to a receiver unless that receiver is wide open. They now have a solid offensive line that is perhaps better all around then what they have fielded since the 90's. They just need to fix the mental errors so they stop shooting themselves in the foot with stupid penalties. This line looks to have some road grading monsters that does so well when they absolutely need to... Like at the end of the Titans game where they played keep away for four minutes! That final drive went left end Frank Gore for -1 yards, and they didn't give up the run game after that negative run. Next play, TJ Yeldon off RG for 11 yards! Frank Gore up the middle for 11 yards. Frank Gore left end 19 yards. Frank Gore left tackle 4 yards. Frank Gore up the middle for 3 yards. Josh Allen off left end for a first down, Kneel, kneel. Thing of beauty for four min to win the game!! Yes, this team is 5-1 and Yes, is in the hunt for a WC. Although, like i said they are squeaking by against the scrub teams when they should be dominating them. I feel this offense would have more passing yards if they ran to setup the pass. Lets not forget that this offense is the best offense Brian Daboll has ever fielded and it would be even better if he realized he doesn't have an elite QB throwing it. He has a young, talented inexperienced QB still learning his craft. P.S. Go back and look at that 4th quarter performance against the Patriots by Matt Barkley. In less then around 10 min of playing time Barkley was sacked, intercepted, called for delay of game, fumbled and the O line had a false start. It's not just Josh Allen.

I agree with this. My take is Daboll attempts out think everyone with his pass first offense, and this is still a very raw, inexperienced QB under center that shouldn't have the offense put on his shoulders by passing first. If this team had Greg Roman, Anthony Lynn as OC and the team was leading the NFL in rushing like they did for a few years under them. I think this years team with the current defense would be blowing out these scrub teams instead of squeaking by them. If that were the case the next five games the 3-4 Eagles, 1-6 Redskins, 2-4 Browns, 0-6 Dolphins, 2-5 Broncos wouldn't even be a question. The Cowboys, Ravens and Patriots would be the only real challenges on the schedule...and even then!

Look at the Dolphins game. Passing first puts all the pressure to make plays on the QB... which really is the not smart thing to do with a young, inexperienced QB. The Bills started that first series with an 8 yard Gore run and then 2 incomplete passes, JA run off RT for no gain (penalty on Ford - 10 yards), incomplete pass. While this drive eventually led to a 3 point FG. My point being Gore had an initial 8 yard run and 3 incomplete passes followed. Why not run Gore or Singletary on second and two? That first series in the second half is exactly how it should be from the start with 6 runs, 6 passes, a 98 yard drive for a TD and two point conversion. Perfection!

That is basically what I'd be looking for in running first to get the defense thinking stop the run first and then move to more passing. I never mentioned more runs then passes. Proof, that, that idea will work.

This offense should be about developing Josh Allen into a franchise QB while also making the offense productive. Allen is forced to dig the offense out of far, far to many holes because of dumb, stupid penalties to the tune of around 8 per game game so far. The other major issue is the play calls coming in late so the offense needs to call a time out or suffer a penalty. Its not on Allen either because this happened with Matt Barkley in there against the Patriots. I would like to see the Bills rush game more productive from the start of the game. Run to setup the pass and make teams fear that run game and when teams move up to stack the box have Allen throw behind them. This team also needs to find the deep pass to make those DBs play off the line and put the fear of god into them.