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I also remember a game against the titans in which Fitz was clueless about managing the clock and the play calls were abysmal. Chan was a decent OC and a crappy HC, as the guy couldn't get past 6-10 with Fitz. even Jauron did better with JP and Trent. BTW, Look at the receiver corps the Jets have all over 6'2'' and are big bodies, it's no wonder the Bills had a tough time defending them all game.

What I believe we are seeing is the very same QB the team had last year only this preseason didn't have much playing time to work off the rust and get his timing down with his receiving corps. The Ravens shut down the run game and made the QB win the game and the Jets followed with the same thing. The difference is that with more playing time Tyrod made some things happen against the Jets despite no strong run game again. Should the Bills OC get the run game working then I suspect we will see a better offense and conversely, if it stalls again it will be placed on the QB's shoulders to win the game. Forcing the QB to throw to Watkins and downfield more often just might have him emerge as a star and OTOH it just might ruin his career by killing his confidence. Some fans are already towing the company line that Greg Roman deserved to be fired because of the failure to develop Tyrod to be better at reading defenses and better downfield throwing over the middle. Also, he had a tendency to wait until he saw the receiver open rather than trusting his receiver to be at a preconceived spot on the field. These fans need to remember that this is a 6th round draft pick that needs time to develop and that process usually takes years.

Very true! Plus, Roman was attempting to develop both QB's in different situations and sometimes different people learn at different speeds. Kaepernick was failing at becoming a pocket QB and when opposing teams stopped the run game and forced him to pass to beat them he failed, a lot! Things looked to be going the very same way with Taylor this year in asking him to be more of a pocket passer rather than run so often. This new Bills OC may accelerate Tyrod's learning curve and help him or ruin him if he isn't ready to make that pocket passer jump to all out down field throwing. Like you said, Time will tell.

I don't feel sorry for these billionaires who thought themselves smart enough to know which HC to hire on their own! And now either asked for or they allowed the firing of about the best OC the team has had in over a decade! Unless of course, that Anthony Lynn is on their short list to replace the Ryan.

The last QB with a winning record that was actually halfway decent since the Drew Bledsoe (9-7) days was Kyle Orton (7-5) and he ran for the bus like he had a grizzly on his arse. Of course, he was playing behind the very worst O-line in the league for most of that 2014 season with no run game help either. 2000 Rob Johnson 4-7, Doug Flutie 4-1 2001 Alex Van pelt 2-6, Rob Johnson 1-7 2002 Drew Bledsoe 8-8 2003 Drew Bledsoe 6-10 2004 Drew Bledsoe 9-7--now because the OC couldn't get Bledsoe to hurry his getting the ball out he was no longer wanted in Buffalo 2005 Kelly Holcomb 4-4, JP Losman 1-7 2006 JP Losman 7-9 2007 Trent Edwards 5-4, JP Losman 2-5 2008 Trent Edwards 7-7, JP Losman 0-2 this was the year that Trent's career was demolished by a concussion in week 5 after a 4-0 start to the season. This same year Brady was on IR after week one. 2009 Ryan Fitzpatrick 4-4, Trent Edwards 2-5, Brian Brohm 0-1 2010 Ryan Fitzpatrick 4-9, Trent Edwards 0-2, Brian Brohm 0-1 2011 Ryan Fitzpatrick 6-10 started this year 5-2 until Fitz was hammered in Washington and went on to play with broken ribs because Gailey was too lame to bench him to let him heal. center Eric Wood went on IR and the line was a joke 2012 Ryan Fitzpatrick 6-10 The Bills defense with George Edwards 2010-2011 was the worst and was just as bad with Wannstedt. The Bills were easy to beat with Gailey as HC and since the team felt they overpaid Fitz... 2013 EJ Manual 4-6, Thaddeus Lewis 2-3, Jeff Tuel 0-1 all basically rookies with no QB coach and some scrubs on the O-line. 2014 Kyle Orton 7-5, EJ Manuel 2-2. The Bills went pass happy this year 579 passing vs 402 rushing with the worst offensive line in the league. Two first round picks for a WR this OC would use as a decoy for a lot of the year. 2015 Tyrod Taylor 7-6, EJ Manuel 0-2. The Bills field the best run game in the league while allowing a young QB to develop Fast forward to now to find the OC that had the Bills the best run game in the league and saw them field a top 10 O-line in the league in 2015 suddenly fired. Last year's offense was also #12 in points and #13 in yards. From what I can gather the teams GM went to the owners with the complaint that Sammy wasn't getting the ball enough and the QB wasn't throwing downfield enough. The run game had also stopped working and the 2 min drill was non-existent. The QB wasn't reading the defense and making adjustments. I can only surmise that the 2nd year starting QB's development time is over and the new OC will call for more downfield passing to Sammy and Clay. This will either make Tyrod a star or ruin him and we will see in a few days.

The Peg's might have made billions in the oil and gas industry and ironically fracking is no longer allowed in NYS. It's well known that just because people are successful in one area of business that doesn't always equate to being successful in running the football side of a team in the NFL, especially later on in life. I really don't know of any NFL owners that were successful meddling except perhaps Al Davis who had a long history from being involved from football right out of college as the man did everything there is to do in pro and college football from being a scout, an assistant coach to head coach, to GM and owner. The late Bills owner Ralph Wilson was exceedingly lucky to hire a winning HC in Chuck Knox and because of that hire the team went on to hire Bill Polian, John Butler who were all by-products of the Knox hire. After John Butler, the team went back into mediocrity and losing with the owner as team president. Just know that Bill Belichick makes every football player personnel decision and football hiring the decision for the entire team. I'd rather see the Bills hire someone that has actual accountability in making the football decisions. Also, they need to hire someone that won't be influenced by the owners or anyone else in the FO. Also, I don't know that I'd trust anyone I hired away from the Patriots. But, that's me.

While it's true on any given Sunday that oblong spheroid can bounce any which way and any team can win. Only the really bad teams will find different ways to lose games that they can win. The Buffalo Bills defense is currently ranked at 25th and currently, have one interception and two sacks. Arizona has the 11th ranked defense with 4 INT's, 4 sacks against The Patriots 2-0 and Bucs 1-1 beat the Falcons at Atlanta. Currently Buffalo is last in the NFL in offense with 276 yards of offense. The Jets alone put almost 500 on Buffalo! Now the OC is fired so the RB coach can call plays and have Tyrod throw more to Sammy. If the Bills don't get that run game working this game and force Tyrod to push the ball downfield...well things could get really ugly, really fast.

Seriously. If Fitz can throw for 374 yards I don't even want to imagine what Carson Palmer can do to that Buffalo offense or what that Arizona defense will do to Tyrod as he attempts to throw more to Watkins. Jamis Winson had 4 INT's.

You guys need to forget about hiring a new head coach from the college ranks unless he has had a past winning record as a head coach previously in the NFL. Jim Harbaugh is the only one that comes to mind that I would want as HC in Buffalo. The learning curve in the NFL for head coaches is far too large to expect even the every best college coach to succeed. Pete Carroll cut his teeth in coaching for the Buffalo Bills as a DB's coach and had two failed stinks as an NFL HC before finding success in college and the NFL. The Seattle Seahawks defense is special because of Pete Carroll as he looks for guys that fit into his system and then develops them into stars. Right now the Pegula's might be grooming Anthony Lynn for the job to see if he can get the offense working better in the passing game to include Sammy Watkins more. By all accounts, this might have been a push to the owners from Doug Whaley who needs to see his two first rounders pay off in Watkins. If so he just screwed Tyrod Taylor's development by accelerating it perhaps too quickly and got the guy fired who had built a solid run first offense to further develop Tyrod and EJ. Josh McDanials might be someone to look at if the Bills weren't in the same division as the Patriots as I doubt either he or Matt Patricia would take a job in that he needed to compete directly against Bill Belichick. I'd be looking at Tom Coughlin as a stop gap and Bill Cowher as the man to hire as he knows talent when he sees it and would help build a better scouting dept. Plus, Cowher wouldn't let the owners or anyone else make decisions for him. Just my 2 cents.

This! Luck won't find much success in Indy until the owner fires the current GM and HC. That same GM is the same idiot who traded Jerry Hughes to Buffalo because he was a failed Polian draft pick and he is too stupid to build a proper line, run game and hire a top DC. Luck looked like the next Manning until Arians left for Arizona.

It's not a stupid idea when you have a team president who has so much power and influence over the team that is not a football man. The problem is that as long as Brandon is part of the org chart on the football side, that no GM the Bills hire will ever have the control he needs to build the team his way. Doug Whaley didn't even get the chance to pick his own head coach because someone put the idea into these new owners heads that they were NFL football smart enough to do it themselves. I gotta tell you that the Pegula's are already starting down a slippery slope that kept a lot of quality coaches from coming to Buffalo because of the late owners meddling with the team. Meeting with the players and deciding to make changes based on what they and the GM say is already starting to make people rethink! They really need to step away from the football side if they ever want to win in the NFL. Bill Belichick is the man who makes all the calls on who the Patriots draft and who the team hires on the football side so If your really going to hire a man to run the entire football side of the Org I'd start with a very experienced GM that knows talent. Ted Thompson current GM of the Packers comes to mind. That is if he would take the job as team president of football operations for the Buffalo Bills.

When they hired Ryan they all thought they were getting a better version of Mike Pettine. No way do they hire Ryan if they knew they would need to retool the defensive line they gave three players 100 million dollar contracts to rush the passer!!. The owners, the GM, the team president were all fooled by a can man who only knows how to one specific scheme. First, you need to learn the difference between the 3-4 one-gap and two-gap schemes to understand that neither Marcell Dareus nor Mario Williams would work well in a two-gap scheme. It's why Dareus was complaining about it from the start of training camp last year and then after a few games, Mario started complaining too. Mario hated that two-gap scheme. To give a basic explanation between the two schemes. A one-gap scheme utilizes a 3-4 and the front 3 D-linemen pick a gap to rush the passer and the linebacker behind them then takes the other gap between the offensive linemen. This scheme doesn't require a big overhaul to the lineman or linebackers because you want speed players like Mario, Kyle Williams and, Hughes. In a two-gap 3-4, the D-linemen need to stay in position to take on the opposing offensive blocker to control two gaps on either side of their linemen. Meanwhile, instead of rushing the passer the linemen need to wait to see what direction the offense is going in so there is very little pass rush unless a blitzer is being sent. The two-gap is an older scheme that is better at stopping the run and usually requires bigger, stronger D-linemen to be able to handle the 325+lb O-linemen they are required to wrestle. Mario is 6'6'' 290 lbs and the very last thing he wants to do is wrestle a 300lb O-linemen and in Schwartz's wide nine he lined up outside the OT so he could simply run by him. Not only was it stupid to ask Mario to play in a two-gap it was even more moronic to ask Jerry Hughes to do it at 6'2'' 252lbs. Then, Mario was also complaining about being dropped into pass coverage so often. READ THIS! http://www.sbnation.com/2015/10/21/9581575/mario-williams-marcell-dareus-rex-ryan-buffalo-bills-defense "Well, it seems like Rex Ryan is suddenly determined to put square pegs into round holes by putting his scheme over talent, at least he was Sunday. We know that the Bills have four dominant defensive linemen who fit best in an attacking 4-3 scheme. However, Ryan has mostly been a 3-4 guy as a head coach. Instead of putting his best players in the best positions to not only be successful and productive, Ryan seems to be clinging to his 3-4 roots a bit too fiercely and holding them back. While the Bills lined up 19 times in either an over or under alignment (4-3) against the Bengals, they lined up in a base version of a 3-4 defense 22 times (those numbers do not include third-down plays). I'm not a math major, but I'm pretty sure 22 is more than 19. It's much worse than just Ryan having his best pass rushers dropping into coverage too much rather than actually, yanno, pass rushing. One edge guy, either Williams or Hughes, generally gets to stand up and either set the edge/pass rush on the edge or drop into coverage when they line up in a base 3-4. The other edge rusher often has to line up on the offensive tackle rather than being on an edge. That's pretty much the opposite of an ideal situation for most highly skilled pass rushers. "Even having Mario Williams, a human cheat code with his ridiculous combination of size, strength and athletic ability, two-gapping an offensive tackle is a pretty dumb thing to do on a regular basis because it's obvious he doesn't like doing it! I greatly admire Williams' game, but he's just not that guy who wants to be lined up head-up and wrestle with a 300-pounder all game." That lame two-gap scheme is the biggest reason the team went from #2 in the NFL in sacks in 2013 under Mike Pettine. #1 in the NFL in sacks under Jim Schwartz in 2014 to 31st in sacks in 2015 under Ryan. Plus the 2015 Bills were dead last in QB pressures. Sure, Mario, Hughes, and Dareus can play in it because they are pro's. But they all hated it because it killed their ability to rush the passer and the reason they were getting those big $$$$!

Expect pwnage!!

I disagree. The FO remembers that the former Bills DC Mike Pettine was a Rex Ryan disciple who worked for the Jets as DC under Ryan before coming to Buffalo and he ran a one-gap 3-4 in 2013. I'm positive that the owners, Russ Brandon and Doug Whaley all thought they were getting another one-gap scheme coach much like Pettine was in Buffalo and like Wade Phillips or they simply wouldn't have hired Rex Ryan as HC. They didn't think they would need to retool the defense to fit Ryan's needs! It appears the man can't get anything other than his 3-4 to work and even then unless he has specific players it won't work. Remember his words that he had never had this much talent on a defense before. This was the reason why Ryan attempted to run Schwartz's wide nine and the 4-3 quite a bit but the majority of the time he ran a two-gap run-stopping scheme that hamstrung the high priced pass rushers on that vaunted Bills D-line from 2014. The Bills D- linemen were more suited for all out rushing the passer and Ryan had them running gap control and dropping into pass coverage. In effect, he simply screwed up the best defense the team has had in a decade. Now he has the team drafting different players to fit his antiquated 3-4 two-gap scheme that few NFL teams run and it's what got his brother fired in New Orleans for running. The thing is it takes no big change to the Bills roster to run a 3-4 one-gap except adding more linebackers. Jerry Hughes would be a perfect fit as would Mario if all he was asked to do is rush the passer, except he wasn't asked to rush the passer and instead was asked to cover two gaps!!

This whole thing looks like a joke and a dysfunctional Org to say the least. The wrong man was fired for sure as Roman didn't give up nearly 500 yards of offense to the NY Jets. The Bills DC should have been fired from what I saw. How is it that a supposed defensive guru only knows how to run one defensive scheme? How is Tyrod Taylor's development going to go when they start forcing him to make downfield throws in an attempt to open up the offense? This is still a 6th round pick we are talking about that clearly needs more on the field playing development. Now I can sorta see if people were upset that the run game stalled against the Ravens and Jets. But then it stalled in a few games last season too and the passing offense also stalled as a result in those games. What we saw this year was nothing really new. This is not a first round pick that only needed minimal development. It looks really lame to me to fire the best OC this team has had in years. I supposed everyone is forgetting that the 2015 Bills led the league in rushing, in big plays and finished that season 12th in points and 13th in yards and did that with basically a first year starting QB. You would need to go back to 2002 to better those stats and that was one year with Drew Bledsoe, Eric Moulds and Travis Henry. EDIT** Oh Yea, Buffalo has become the NFL’s Dysfunction Junction in recent days, with a new nugget emerging virtually every hour painting the team as a clown show. http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2016/09/18/report-greg-roman-was-fired-right-after-posing-for-team-photo/ With the Bills again marred by injuries and suspensions, many quadrants of the organization have already gone into "survival mode," as one team source put it, trying to build the case with ownership as to why they aren't part of the problem. http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/bills-ownership-not-considering-other-staff-changes-after-greg-roman-firing/ Hmmm, I wonder who this could be referring to?

What's crazy is the Bills had a decent offense last season and were in the process of developing a rookie QB! Now this year the starting QB still hasn't even played a full season and was a 6th round pick. Does anyone really expect Taylor to turn into Tom Brady on is this halfway built team? So much for Tyrod's development!

This team had a shot to finish developing Tyrod Taylor all the way up until the owners fired the OC and now the new OC will force the QB to make throws and either he will sink or swim. Judging from Rex Ryan's past of ruining young QB's in Geno Smith, Mark Sanchez, I'd say the odds are pretty good that Taylor falls on his face this year.

This! These new owners should be making any decisions on the coaching staff during the season as that takes owners meddling to a new level and even Ralph Wilson was never that bad. He held his head coach accountable and allowed them to make the changes. The one large key to not gaining any continuity over the last 16 is this team has had no senior football man making the correct decisions on how to properly build a winning team. Oh sure the owner as team president stepped down for a few years and didn't like the direction so he fired Tom Donahoe. Ole Tom was the only team president to ever replace Ralph Wilson mostly because Wilson needed to stay president for the salary he took from the job and that was a big reason that owner was more concerned about the team making a profit over winning. When the late owner health started to decline he made the marketing / financial man CEO of the team and allowed him full control and that tells you why the football side has been so dysfunctional over the last six years. No senior football man running the org so the team keeps changing schemes and players to fit those schemes. Meanwhile, the current GM attempted to have the offense develop some rookie QB's with no QB coach, no veteran QB on the roster and with the very worst offensive line in the league in 2013 - 2014. It was joke who the GM kept attempting to replace a decent OG in Andy Levitre with. The O-line is still only half way built with very little quality depth. This GM has overpaid for three stars because he and his scouts can't find quality offensive talent in the draft at RB, TE and WR. With little or no quality talent behind those three. This team will continue to be a dysfunctional mess until these new owners take themselves and any other non-football men out of the football decisions and hire a team president of football operations that has some experience in building a winning franchise!

Jeez, I only hope this story isn't true. The last thing this team needs is meddling owners talking with players to determine what's happening on the field. Heck no! this stuff reminds me of the Jim Irsay, Bill Bidwell days of constant owner meddling and even Ralph Wilson was never this bad.

Yea well, when I see it happen then I'll believe it can happen. This is a run first offense and when the run game gets shut down the QB is then forced to make all the plays with his arm. Let's not forget that TT had very little preseason play time to knock off any rust and get his timing down. Taylor looked totally lost in that first game by dumping the ball off before he even scanned the field on some plays and neither the run game or passing game was working in that first game. It looked to me like the Ravens defense was forcing Tyrod to throw by taking away the run game. We saw this last year too when the offense couldn't get the run game working and the difference was Chris Hogan to get those first downs in the air and Karlos Williams banging out those big runs to help open up the run game. This year the offense failed to get the run game working so it all fell on Tyrod to make plays and he couldn't get it done until a long bomb and some broken plays in that Jets game. If this new OC can get the run game working first thing then I think he will get the passing offense working too. Arizona will probably do the same thing they saw the Ravens and Jets do in attempt to take away the run and forcing Tyrod to make plays with his arm! Should the Cards stop the Bills run game it could be another long day for the Bills defense.

This is exactly right! Remember that 3rd down and 22 deep pass that Carr completed to Andre Holmes for 51 yards in the 4th quarter that basically won the game for them. They just got incredibly lucky. What kills me is fans still want to rag on that 2014 #4 overall in total defense because Schwartz is no longer with the team and Wrex Ryan is... The Raider drives went like this, Punt, Punt, Punt, TD, Punt, FG, Punt, FG, FG, FG, Punt, Missed FG, end. The Bills drives went like this, TD, INT, Punt, Punt, Punt, Punt, Punt, FG, Punt, Punt, TD, Punt, INT, TD. Let's also not forget that the 2-12 Raiders team had the 30th defense in the NFL and Raider scrub DT's were plowing thru the Bills O-line like it was made of putty to tackle Bills RB's Fred and Spiller behind the line of scrimmage. That Buffalo Bills offense had 13 rushes for 13 yards and Spiller had 4 attempts for -4 yards. Meanwhile, Kyle Orton threw 49 times for 349 yards and 3 TD's, 2 INT's. Now, if any recall that Raider rookie linebacker Khalil Mack was almost always in Orton's face because RT Henderson couldn't block to save his life that day. But yeah, let's blame it on the defense for a 2 point loss. http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-game-highlights/0ap3000000447684/Week-16-Bills-vs-Raiders-highlights

Just recall I didn't refer to you in a derogatory sense and merely stated the truth.

It's what happens to two of the best CB's in the league when they need to stay in coverage with no help for 40 minutes a game. No pass rush after the bit tongue and no stops on third down. I can only wonder if this year's Bills defense will come close to how bad Rob Ryan's defense was in NO that got him fired.

Ole Miss 17 to 3 Alabama, Man, Chad looks good!

It's not the players at all IMO as the Bills have two of the very best DB's in the league when you have a decent pass rush on the opposing QB. You just can't leave these guy to hang out to dry all game and expect them to not give up some big plays after awhile as they tend to get... you know...tired. The time of possession was basically Jets 40 min to Bills 20 min and that Bills defense was on the field for 40 min. Rex Ryan's defense isn't all that complex it's just that Ryan tends to overcomplicate things by putting far too many variations and reads on their plate. It's like an OC who wants to run a 10'' thick playbook with 100 plays in it when the team only needs to learn around twenty-five to get by with. What we saw on the field this last week looked like the very same defense that Rob Ryan was fired in NO for running. Fitz is just a journeyman QB who had a good game so I can't even imagine what Brady or another elite QB would do to that defense. Probably set another Bills franchise worst in yards passing allowed. Let's not forget that mostly the very same players had the #4 defense in yards and points allowed in 2014. To me it's the bad coaches attempting to make an outdated scheme work.