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And the Bills defense was ranked #20 in total defense before the Patriots game and 27th in pass defense. I can't wait for the Rex Ryan fan boys and team shills to keep defending this steaming pile of dog crap we see on the field against the better teams.

Even if the entire offense was healthy that defense wasn't going to stop Brady and not many NFL QB's could keep up with him in scoring 41 points

Romo? A QB that has been injured more often than not the last two years and even when he was healthy he choked in the big games. keep developing Jones who may take three years to develop only to find out he isn't the answer? This team needs a complete reboot and flush. Obtain people that have actual experience in building a winning team and not rookies and old farts fresh off a 4-12 season

Colten for MVP

Thanks for updating For the less involved. Current Total defense rank 20th. Pass defense 15th. run defense 27th The Bills are #2 in turnover differential at +8. The Bills are currently 3rd sacks with 21..which BTW equals last years total after only 7 games.

Whoa, I didn't think they would promote Hackett. But then who else do they have...hrmm Marrone was the OC for the Saints. I dunno, I guess this would allow Bradly to stay and fire his offensive staff. When the Bills play the Jags at least we know what to expect in either a pass happy QB or runs right up the middle. Either way, it won't be a very sophisticated offensive scheme.

Naa, the Bills just need to hire someone that actually knows how to scout a college and pro prospect at QB. Then have the knowledge on how to properly build an offense to support him. Look at what TT is going into New Era stadium to face the best team in the NFL with him on Sunday. The starting three WR's all injured with two out, one on IR and the last questionable. The starting RB's injured and both questionable. The starting LT questionable with the right side of that line getting owned last week by the Dolphins. Quality player depth is a very serious issue with this team. Anyway, Andy Dalton was a 2nd round pick, Derek Carr was a second round pick. Russell Wilson was a 3rd rounder. Dak Prescott was the second fourth rounder. Trevor Siemain was a 7th rounder. There have been many, many free agent QB's over the years and about the only one I know that the Bills actually offered some value for was Alex Smith and the Chiefs gave up more to get him.Like Drew Brees, Carson Palmer, Peyton Manning, Sam Bradford. If the Bills scouts knew their craft the team wouldn't have needed to use two first rounders on a WR or 6 mill on a free agent RB that are supposedly a dime a dozen nowadays. Plus, over-paying for an oft injured TE and other offensive players who seem to be constantly injured. The team wouldn't need to depend on the HC to find a decent LG or starting QB. I know lots of fans love the status quo in the FO at OBD. I think the team needs some real help in this area in the form of a team president of football operations with enough NFL experience to make the proper final decisions.

Sad news indeed

No doubt, he helped! The real issue is with the Jags OC in Greg Olsen who has a storied history as an NFL OC...just not, a good one! The Jags attempt to throw 293 attempts vs 134 runs (yikes) and this is forcing that young QB to attempt to win games with his arm. He is putting up some good numbers at times but sadly it's all in garbage time. Blake Bortles is the king of garbage time stat padding http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2016/10/28/blake-bortles-is-the-king-of-garbage-time-stat-padding/First quarter: 1,598 yards, 4 touchdowns Second quarter: 2,356 yards, 15 touchdowns Third quarter: 1,912 yards, 13 touchdowns Fourth quarter: 3,364 yards 26 touchdowns Gus Bradly being an ex-Seahawks DC he really isn't clued into what's happening with his offense.

Interesting article from the Patriots website on how the NFL grades players. http://www.patriots.com/news/2016/02/23/nflcoms-grades-top-prospects-nfl-combine 9.00-10 Once-in-lifetime player 8.00-9.00 Perennial All-Pro 7.50-7.99 Future All-Pro 7.00-7.49 Pro Bowl to All-Pro ability 6.50-6.99 Good NFL starter with Pro Bowl potential 6.00-6.49 Chance to become good NFL starter 5.70-5.99 Could become early NFL starter 5.30-5.69 Backup or eventual starter 5.15-5.29 Developmental prospect or special teams potential 5.01-5.14 Back end of the roster 5.00 50/50 chance of making the roster Both Goff 6.7 & Lynch 6.4 both got low grades. Gonna be interesting to see what the grades look like for this year's class of QB's Other sites, http://www.powerhousegm.com/blog/nfl-draft-prospect-grading-systems

The OP (Oldtimer1960) must be suffering from Alzheimers as he made this thread at 11:38 today and then made it again at 12:27 I wonder how long it will take the mods to merge the two threads?

He will get the brunt of anything bad that happens. The way of the world.

I'll fire Gus after a few more games ...Jags are currently 2-5, PF 139- PA 196 @ KC L Houston L @ Detroit L @ Buffalo Denver Minnesota @Houston Tennessee @Indy He should be gone by the Buffalo game and won't last the season at this rate.

While the 2016 Buffalo Bills are still looking really good right now at 4-3 after seven games -187 PF vs 130 PA and currently are #2 in the AFC East. The Bills are entering the most difficult part of their season against the Patriots and Seahawks and this without their best offensive player in LeSean McCoy who helps make the entire team win games. A depleted WR corps with the #1 WR on IR, the #2 WR back from a foot injury who was "limited" in practice this week and is 50-50 to even play. Meanwhile, the #3 WR is out with a concussion!'' This leaves Brandon Tate, Justin Hunter, Walter Powell, and just up from the PS Ed Eagan as the wide receivers. Not to mention that starting TE Charles Clay was also "limited" in practice as was the backup RB Mike Gillislee "limited" Let's say we revisit this thought towards the end of the season.

That still doesn't sway the fact that the team entered the season with basically three rookie QB's on the roster as Kolb was injured and placed on IR Aug 30th. I think the team also signed Matt Flynn and even Matt Leinhart for a short time too. It still doesn't deter that the team went forward with literally no help for those three young QB's besides a guy who had no NFL experience as an NFL OC, QB coach in Hackett! The blind leading the blind comes to mind. Lewis was an undrafted FA by the Rams in 2010 and the Browns claimed him off waivers 2011 where he spent 2012 on their practice squad. Lewis did actually play in one NFL game for Cleveland against Pittsburgh in 2012 so he did have one game start in one single game. He was waived by the Browns in 2013 and picked up by Detroit for their practice squad. So no, he wasn't an actual rookie. But he sure wasn't a veteran QB that could have helped teach the real rookies. Jeff Tuel was a waste of a roster spot and any veteran QB in the league would have been so very helpful in showing EJ and Lewis the NFL ropes during that season. This was also Marrone's fault for not hiring a decent QB coach too. Just saying that as a first round draft pick EJ was put into a very, very difficult position to develop his craft and about as bad as it could get with no veteran QB help, no NFL QB coach, an NFL offensive coordinator with no NFL experience as an NFL OC. This with a bad offensive line that graded at 22nd because the LT was playing above average and was near worst in the league at other positions. It doesn't get much worse for a rookie QB than that.

Marquise Goodwin (concussion) is out for Week 8 against the Patriots. He was the only source of offense for Buffalo last week against the Dolphins. The Bills are at least getting Robert Woods (foot) back in the lineup, but Goodwin was their field stretcher on the outside. Woods mans the slot, and now Justin Hunter will likely have to play more snaps against Malcolm Butler. http://www.rotoworld.com/player/nfl/8461/marquise-goodwin LeSean McCoy (hamstring) is doubtful for Week 8 against the Patriots. McCoy didn't practice at all this week and isn't going to play. Because the Bills were stupid enough to push McCoy to play against the Dolphins last week, they're now without him in a much tougher game. Mike Gillislee should get the start at running back and handle 15-18 carries at the very least. Oct 28 - 12:17 PM EDIT: Robert Woods (foot) was "very limited" in Thursday's practice. The word comes straight from coach Rex Ryan, who did add that Woods "looks better than he did last week. Woods is shaping up as truly 50-50 to play against the Patriots. If Woods does suit up, he'll be a bottom-barrel WR4. Source: Joe Buscaglia on Twitter Oct 27 - 1:55 PM

Great points and agree with it all. It is crazy that some NFL GM's just don't see what they are doing with their high-value draft picks. Now, think about the offense that Doug Whaley expected his first round draft pick to perform in with college coaches in Marrone, Hackett attempting to develop EJ and this with no QB coach at all on the team and no senior NFL QB on the team to help the three QB's on the Bills roster that year in rookies Thaddeus Lewis, Jeff Tuel, EJ Manuel. Not to mention that the team had just allowed their best O-linemen in Andy Levitre to walk away and then attempted to replace a decent OG with complete scrubs in Colin Brown who graded neg -30. before the team dumped him after the first six games and replaced him with another scrub in Doug Legursky. That 2013 Bills O-line graded at 22nd in the league and that was mostly because Glenn graded so high. The rest of the line besides Wood, Glenn stunk! So yeah! And people wonder why a first round QB prospect didn't pan out... Cleveland has to be the epitome of rookie QB's lost to a crappy scheme with crappy coaches and bad surrounding players.

While some say this is unfounded... Brady threw for 466 yards against Rex Ryan's defense in that 2015 first game and set a Bills franchise-worst amount of passing yards to a single player while doing it. Given that without LeSean McCoy that the Bills didn't even attempt to run very much last week against a Miami defense that was 30th in rushing yards allowed (Bills rushing 22 for 67). The 2016 NE Patriots defense is 11th in rushing yards allowed and #4 in overall points allowed and #14 in overall yards allowed. Meanwhile, Buffalo is 20th in overall total defense. Currently, the Patriots have the #5 team in total offense (yards) Buffalo is 22nd overall in offense and 30th in passing. Should the Bills not establish a strong run game against NE I can see the Bills defense out on the field all game just like we all saw against the NY Jets in week two. Jets ToP 39:12 vs 20:48 Buffalo (Fitz 374 yards passing) and against Miami ToP 37:02 vs 22:58 Buffalo. While we watched the Dolphins rush for 256 yards and Ajayi had 214 by himself and with a total of 454 yards to the smelly 2-4 fish. If McCoy can't do his Barry Sanders impressions this week I can see Brady having a field day against the Bills defense this game...

This is exactly right and really can't be said any better. This is a one-dimensional offense that only works if the run game is working well. In the four games won the Bills ran very well and in the three loses they didn't run well. The defense can't win games on its own as we have seen against the Jets and Dolphins as the longer they are on the field the more big plays they give up. This kind of supports the idea of switching from Schwartz's 4-3 to Ryan's 3-4 was a waste of time, energy and draft picks. Especially considering the offense could have used a boost in the WR, the RB and right side of the O-line dept this year. This team can win a bunch of games each if everyone can stay healthy! The problem is this franchise hasn't been able to stay healthy at so many positions over the last decade and it certainly doesn't help that the team keeps obtaining players with injury issues.

Against the 49ers, "The Bills ran the ball 44 times for 312 yards, which was 12 more yards than the defense allowed the 49ers to gain in a 45-16 victory." “Obviously, I’d prefer to run. There’s no question about that. Maybe that’s the old school in me, but I still think you run the ball to win games. We know we need to do a better job of passing it and I thought we did today. The main thing is being efficient.” http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2016/10/17/rex-ryan-its-boring-football-but-were-winning/ Against Miami, the Bills rushed 22 times for 67 yards and without McCoy the offense looked so limited in not running the ball like they had done in their last four wins. Those rushing numbers are what lost the first two games and got Greg Roman fired!! Against the Ravens, 24 rushes for 65 yards! Against the NY Jets, 19 rushes for 86 yards!

Fitz was a gunslinger that never realized his full potential in Buffalo for various reasons. 4-9, 6-10, 6-10. Jauron won more games with Edwards and JP! I realize this will draw the ire of many posters, but nevertheless, I think Kyle Orton was probably the best QB this team has seen since Drew Bledsoe mostly because he played behind the very worst ranked O-line the franchise has ever seen in that 2014 season. He also managed to go 7-5 with literally no rushing attack most games! Spiller had 300 yards for the entire year and Freddy had 500 while both players had the lowest rushing averages for their careers that season. Plus, both players were injured quite a bit that year. Orton was forced to win games with his arm and he pretty much did that with an oft-injured Watkins who the coaches wanted to use as a decoy for Robert Woods and Scott "fall down at the sight of a tackler & can't block" Chandler. Anyway, unfortunately, Tyrod isn't at that stage in his career where he has developed into a comeback type QB who can win games with just his arm. Not to mention that the three starting receivers are currently all injured and so are the two starting RB's. Then the right side of that line started to look really bad in allowing some big plays. I honestly don't understand how anyone can expect the young man to continue to develop under these circumstances. This is a big reason as to why I think Doug Whaley hasn't had a clue on how to build an offense to support a young, inexperienced QB.

Fixed! How much can anyone expect more from a young QB still learning and developing with no 1st and 2nd string WR and the 3rd string WR went down with a concussion later in the game. No starting RB that makes the entire offense go and helps the entire team win games. The right side of the O-line giving up big plays to the opposing D-line. To me, it's kinda surprising that Taylor didn't turn the ball over like most second-year starters would!!

If there was ever a year to take the division it was 2008 with Brady going on IR after the first game. The Bills went 5-1 to start that season but that one loss was the killer with Trent Edwards suffering a concussion and he should have been benched for the next five or six games. Anyway, this year the Bills were paper thin at so many positions and it was talked about all offseason by many of us Bills fans. Apparently, the Bills FO didn't think this was the case though and I wonder what they think now scrambling to find a decent WR, a decent replacement RB for Shady. That right side of the line was in question, the WR corps and RB depth were also questioned. Last week the Dolphins made the Bills RT, RG look bad and allowed some big plays. No Sammy, no Shady, and the latter is what helps the entire team win games. Until those two return, I can see the Bills dropping like a stone in power rankings. Unless Whaley can make a trade for a WR or RB!

Sammy Watkins (foot) out of walking boot Oct 26 ...good news for a return soonish! Mike Gillislee (foot) limited on Wednesday Oct 26 No Shady and perhaps no Gillislee Yikes! Robert Woods (foot) returns to practice Oct 26 Good news! Marquise Goodwin not practicing Wednesday Oct 26 LeSean McCoy misses Wednesday practice Oct 26 http://www.rotoworld.com/teams/clubhouse/nfl/buf/buffalo-bills

It's not just a maybe no Shady, no AW, no Watkins, no Robert Woods. It's Marquise Goodwin is questionable in that he suffered a concussion against the Dolphins and although the team has yet to release info on his availability, I fear the worst. Yeah, that's right, Justin Hunter, Walter Powell,Brandon Tate and Ed Eagan just up from the PS are the WR's for this weeks game