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Well, one of them is Daniel Jeremiah a former NFL scout for three NFL teams Eagles, Browns, Ravens. There are other highly regarded NFL scouts, players who put these grades together and they are pretty accurate. This year teams are acting so desperate to get a top QB like the NY Jets moving from #6 to #3. It's like Bills fans are also getting desperate thinking that they will miss out. There is only one QB graded at 7.0 and that is Darnold who will probably go #1 overall. Rosen has a grade of 6.1 because he has more baggage. Both Mayfield, Allen have grades of 6.0 and Jackson a 5.9. Why give up the farm and all the animals for a 6.1 when one of two 6.0s just might fall out of the top six. Mason Rudolph grades a 5.6. The only player I can see Buffalo trading up for is Darnold as the rest grade pretty close together. See what I'm saying at all?

That is not what I said. Besides that, you are welcome

Some of you guys are missing the point as all I said was a higher grade. I never said they had to be an Elway or Luck. This is a very deep draft with a lot of talent. Shoot, I'd be happy to give up three first rounders or 5, 6 possible starters for a QB with say an 8.0 grade.

THIS YEARS QBs DON"T EVEN COME CLOSE!!!!!!!!!!! a grade of 7.0 is a far cry from a 10.0. and Darnold is barely a 7.0

It's not when you have an Elway or a Luck that is actually worth giving up 3 first rounders for, or 5, 6 very early picks for. but to give up that many early picks for players who simply don't grade that high. It's foolish! If any of this years QB's graded out higher I'd be "all in"! They don't! They... all ...have... warts!

That list was all about the starting QB's for last year (2017) and not about past QB's. I haven't researched it but I'm pretty sure you don't NEED a top-five pick at QB to win the super bowl. Okay, I'll research it! 26 of 47 super bowl winning QB's were taken in the first round. Six first-round overall picks have won one or more SB's, Bradshaw 4, Aikman 3, Plunkett 2, Elway 2, Manning 2, Manning 2. The thing is, that none of this year's QB's are in the same grade as any of those six overall picks. Darnold grades as a 7.0. Rosen grades as a 6.1. Both Mayfield and Allen a 6.0. Jackson a 5.9. Elway like Andrew Luck was considered a once in a decade blue-chip prospect with both a solid 10. NFL.com Grading Scale GRADE TITLE 9.00-10 Once-in-lifetime player 8.00-9.00 Perennial All-Pro 7.50-7.99 Future All-Pro 7.00-7.49 Pro Bowl to All-Pro ability 6.50-6.99 Good NFL starter with Pro Bowl potential 6.00-6.49 Chance to become good NFL starter 5.70-5.99 Could become early NFL starter 5.30-5.69 Backup or eventual starter 5.15-5.29 Developmental prospect or special teams potential 5.01-5.14 Back end of the roster 5.00 50/50 chance of making the roster

I agree that it's very important that both Wentz and Goff found some brilliant minds to help guide them. Goff, in particular, is so lucky to have Sean McVay as his HC because he really stunk in 2016 with a 0-7 record, 5 TDs, 7 INTs a 54.6 comp% under Jeff Fisher and he was looking like a very poor choice before the new HC.

#1 Tom Brady was a 6th round pick.- WON 6 SBs #2 Aaron Rodgers was a late 1st, 22nd overall. WON SB #3 Ben Rothlisberger was a mid-round pick, 11th overall. WON 2 SBs #4 Drew Brees was a second-round pick, 32nd overall. WON SB #5 Carson Wentz, first round, 2nd overall pick in 2016. #6 Russell Wilson was a 3rd pick, 75th overall. WON 2 SB #7 Cam Newton, 1st overall. went to an SB #8 Matthew Stafford, 1st overall. playoffs #9 Andrew Luck, 1st overall. playoffs #10 Phillip Rivers, 1st round 4th overall. Playoffs #11Jimmy Garappolo, 2nd round, 62nd overall. #12 Kirk Cousins, 4th round, 102nd overall. #13 Jamis Winston, 1st overall. #14 Dak Prescott, 4th round, 135th overall. Playoffs. #15 Marcus Mariota, 1st round, 2nd pick overall. Playoffs #16 Derek Carr, 2nd round, #36 overall.Playoffs. #17 Alex Smith, 1st round, 1st overall. playoffs #18 Deshaun Watson, 1st round, 12th overall. #19 Jared Goff, 1st round, 1st overall. #20 Andy Dalton, 2nd round, 35th overall. playoffs. #21 Tyrod Taylor, 6th round,180th overall. playoffs. #22 Ryan Tannehill, 1st round, 8th overall. #23 Joe Flacco, 1st round, 18th overall. WON SB #24 Eli Manning, 1st round, 1st overall. WON 2 SB #25 Mitch Turbisky, 1st round, 2nd overall. #26 Sam Bradford, 1st round, 1st overall. #27 Case Keenum -UNDRAFTED #28 Jay Cutler, 1st round, 11th overall. #29 Carson Palmer, 1st round, 1st overall. Playoffs #30 Deshone Kizer, 2nd round, 52nd overall. #31 Trevor Siemian, 7th round, 250th overall. #32 Blake Bortles, 1st round, 3rd overall. Playoffs #33 Nick Foles, 3rd round, 88th overall. WON SB Think I got this pretty close. Looking over all those QBs who have been picked in the top 5 only Eli Manning has won 2 super bowls. Almost half that have been picked very early and made the playoffs. Six QB's have won super bowls have been picked later than the top 5, three are first round picks. I think the point here is not the fact that Buffalo hasn't spent the picks to find that franchise QB because they did try with first-round pick JP Losman, or third-round pick Trent Edwards. I think it's more of a testimony of their scouting/talent evaluation incompetence since the Jim Kelly days. You don't NEED to draft a QB with the first or second overall pick. You just NEED to know what the hell you are doing when you evaluate them.

Forget about reasoning with a pack of food-starved, crazed rabid dogs drooling over what they see is a tasty morsel of something they haven't had for over two decades. Right now every QB in the top few look like the next Jim Kelly to them. Everyone wants the next Carson Wentz, Deshaun Watson and what they will get is another Mark Sanchez, Geno Smith. Sam Darnold, Josh Rosen, Josh Allen, Baker Mayfield, Mason Rudolph, Lamar Jackson all go in the first round and probably only two will beat the odds and have good success in the NFL. Which two? As for me, I'd like to keep all the 2018 picks and steal this guy away from Pittsburgh at 22 for leaving us holding our JP Losman. https://www.sbnation.com/nfl/2018/3/3/17073246/mason-rudolph-draft-oklahoma-state-qb-2018

Yes, many sites say that Bobby Petrino ran a complicated offense at Louisville. That simply means different sets mostly all out of a shotgun formation like three wide receiver sets, two back sets, single back. A lot of run/pass options. The fact remains Jackson wasn't under center which is considered more of an actual pro-style scheme. Also, most all the scouting reports I've come across state that Jackson typically made one or two reads and then ran. "Typically gets through reads 1 and 2 before halting progressions. Pocket awareness has room for improvement. Move accuracy on rollouts and scrambles is poor. Highly inaccurate with throws on the move throughout the 2017 season. Underthrown deep balls allow cornerbacks to play the ball. Lacks touch over the heads of middle linebackers into intermediate pockets. Turnover total still too high." http://www.nfl.com/draft/2018/profiles/lamar-jackson?id=2560053 Watch the vid, weakness...accuracy, anticipation, progressions. You simply can't be a second late in the NFL with a pass.

Both graded a rank 7, Wentz and Darnold. Geoff was an 8, Rosen is an 8. I dunno, I see more warts on this year's top two with that loopy throwing motion and the other with personality, durability issues. My take is that everyone sees what Wentz, Goff, and Deshaun Watson turned out like and now everyone is desperate to get one those guys. Except these men aren't those men. http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000919918/article/daniel-jeremiahs-top-50-prospects-for-2018-nfl-draft-20 http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000641197/article/daniel-jeremiahs-top-50-prospects-for-2016-nfl-draft

I agree. I would rather Darnold over Rosen. I hope they stay put or trade up slightly for Mayfield, Allen. Three firsts this year for a QB is a desperation move. I don't see a Wentz, Luck in those first two.

If they do get it wrong It's going to set the team back a few years for sure AND possibly be a regime killer if they get it wrong ...and with the very next pick, the NY Jets get it right! Kinda like bonehead Jauron and his Aaron Maybin pick as a pass rusher and the Redskins two picks later ran to the podium to select Orakpo. I'm one of the guys who doesn't see a QB as a top-five pick in the year's draft. Sam Darnold, pick #6 with his loopy throw from his waist like David Garrard will give DBs that split second of expectation of where the pass is going. All those fumbles the last two years are just what Buffalo needs in their version of Mr. Buttfumble, Mark Sanchez. Might be comparable to Andrew Luck but not with that throwing motion or problem with fumbles. Josh Rosen, Pick #7 durability issues with a kid who can't escape the pocket so when he does get hit it results in an injury, concussion. aka, Sam Bradford. Poor career deep ball percentage because he lacks the arm strength to zip the ball in. When forced to run with the ball his completion percentage drops down to 42.4%. Tough to like, tough to coach and better in a WCO short passing offense. Should the Buffalo Bills trade up to that #2 spot with the NY Giants I hope they select RB Saquon Barkley so all AJ McCarron need do this year is to hand the ball off to McCoy, Barkley. Should he need to throw McCoy is in the flat, Clay over the middle and KB in the red zone. Feel free to blaze away

Read the scouting report I posted! Works exclusively under shotgun Was not asked to read progressions much Didn’t look past first read very often Very high rate of snaps were option runs What's particularly scary is this kid ran a lot and when he did run his throw percentage went from 59.15 down to 42%. Russell Wilson, he is not! Louisville runs a spread offense, one or two reads and run. There is a world of difference between that and what most NFL teams run.

I agree. It's not all about watching highlight film which was Whaley's forte. It's about watching all the film the including the bad with the good. The point about interviewing the player's coaches is very important along with interviewing his teammates and friends to understand what kind of a person he is. This QB is going to be the face of the franchise for the next decade and they want to know what they're getting themselves into. Just from reading the scouting reports I don't see why Josh Rosen is in the top five or even Darnold for that matter given the history of USC QB's in the NFL. I simply don't see a QB worthy of trading up to that #2 spot or even in the top five. That's just me though.

I think he is telling the truth. The scouts OTOH have probably been going into overtime making certain they know what they are going to do. It's what he did in free agency in being patient, prudent and not overpaying for a franchise wannabe QB. AJ McCarron could be the future franchise QB for this team and we won't know until the season starts. Nobody knows. I think the Bills will draft a QB this draft just not really sure where and I can only hope they don't overpay. Going by the way they handled free agency I think they will wait to see how things pan out with the first three picks and if someone is there they really like after the Jets pick. I know so many fans want the Bills to move up to #2 and I just don't see it for a QB with warts. There is no Andrew Luck, Peyton Manning in this year's draft. Why would this FO even think about three firsts and more for a QB in this year's draft?

Good stuff and thanks for posting Reed83HOF. Hearing from Yolo on the Bills giving up so much to move to #2 to draft Josh Rosen now appears like this is all him and what he likes and not thankfully what Beane, McD want in the draft. If I'm these men looking at the quality/quantity of players in this years draft class and knowing that the hit rate on finding a starting franchise QB is about 33%. I don't think there is a QB in this years draft class giving up three firsts for, much less more than that. Just some food for thought that the last time three QBs went in the first three picks was in 1999. The first overall pick went to Cleveland, Tim Couch. The second pick was Donovan McNabb to Philly. The Third pick was Cincy Akili Smith to Cincy.

I agree on the Rosen choice and I have a tough time thinking that this will be Beane's, McDermott's choice for QB. So many issues with this kid. Then I look at Yolo's mock and see all those choices from the 12 spot to the 22 spot and can't help think that the Bills can get two really good starters in the first round. Then two more possible starters in the second round. Four good young starters or a QB with issues...not to mention giving up next years first. I would rather have QB Baker Mayfield and OT Mike McGlinchey and the two-second rounders and next years first. 12. NYG (from Bills) - Derrius Guice RB 13. Redskins - Ronnie Harrison S 14. Packers - Mike Hughes CB 15. Cards - Vita Vea DT 16. Ravens - Isaiah Wynn OG 17. Saints (via trade from Chargers) - Baker Mayfield QB 18. Seahawks - James Daniels C 19. Cowboys - Courtland Sutton WR 20. Lions - DaRon Payne DT 21. Bengals (from Bills) - Roquan Smith LB 22. NYG (from Bills) - Mike McGlinchey OT

You guys want an Alabama AJ McCarron stat? How about 77 TD's and only 15 INTs. Completion percentage 67.3%. I think it's great that Buffalo will give this kid a shot to compete for a starting job. I'm not holding my breath though. The reason he was a 5th round pick. Weaknesses: Surrounded by an NFL-caliber supporting cast with a very good offensive line that provides a lot of time to dissect the field. Does not have a big-time, vertical arm. Average athlete. Makes occasional bone-headed decisions. Heaves the deep ball and forces receivers to make adjustments. Does not drive the deep out. Draft Projection: Round 2 Bottom Line: An efficient game-managing quarterback who has shown he can carry an offense at times throughout his career, but more often is dependent on a terrific supporting cast. Grades out most highly for his intangibles and decision-making, knowing when and where to go with the ball, and could earn an NFL starting job. http://www.nfl.com/draft/2014/profiles/aj-mccarron?id=2543497

While talking about that cover1... Let's not forget that the Panthers fired their OC this season in an attempt to bring in an OC who will work with Cam Newton to make him more of a pocket passer. Norv Turner is the Carolina new OC. "Rivera repeatedly spoke the last offseason about tailoring an offense that would rely less on Newton's running ability and helping the quarterback transition into a pocket passer. The plan stumbled out of the gate in 2017, thanks in part to Newton's offseason shoulder surgery." Russell Wilson is a very mobile QB who moves around in order to allow his receivers to get open so he can throw to them...a QB like him I want! Lamar Jackson worked in a very simplistic offense with one or two reads out of the shotgun and when those reads weren't open ...he ran. When he broke from the pocket his completion percentage on the run went from 59% down to 42%. However, his rawness as a passer makes him a risky gamble. He doesn’t have much experience under center or reading a defense. He has footwork issues that could make him one of the least accurate passers in the league upon entry. There are a lot of things he needs to work on to become an NFL-caliber passer. All of these issues make him one of the least day-one ready prospects among the top five or so. Worst case scenario, if the quarterback thing doesn’t pan out, I don’t think it’s insane to see him make a Terrelle Pryor-esque move to receiver one day. https://www.ganggreennation.com/2018/1/22/16900712/scouting-the-2018-nfl-draft-lamar-jackson-qb-louisville-new-york-jets

I watched him in college last year and at the combine. He is erratic in his throws with one great pass and the next a duck. In the NFL those ducks will be intercepted. There is a real reason most scouts, draft analysts have the guy as the fifth best QB in this year's draft and some have him as a second-round pick. For a running QB, his move accuracy is highly inaccurate and he turns the ball over too much. Whichever team selects him will need to build an offense around him with a lot of run/pass options. He also has a small frame and could end up as another RG3 with injuries. He ran a spread offense mostly out of the shotgun and wasn't asked to make more than one or two reads and if those aren't open then he runs. Bottom line is Jackson is going to need a bunch of developmental time transitioning to the NFL.

Man, I love watching this kid throw. Reminds me so much of Kelly to Beebe, Lofton. Bombs away! Kelly though had more of a Baker Mayfield attitude. Not probably, I think he will have the strongest arm in the NFL once he gets there. I just hope he doesn't go to Cleveland or the NY Jets who will most likely ruin him. If the NY Giants refuse to trade out of that #2 pick I can see him going there.

What I get a kick out of is the hearing of past interest in Josh Rosen who was the opposite of Allen in the sense that he had some really good receivers in his final season and yet the UCLA Bruins went 6-7 and lost their bowl game. That Lasley kid had 69 receptions for 1264 yards, 18.3 avg with 9 TDs. Andrews also had 60 receptions 773 yards, 12.9 avg, 10 TDs. Granted those guys still dropped a ton of passes and not sure why just yet. This kid scares me with his durability issues and the fact that he struggles to elude pressure, can't escape the pocket so when he gets hit it usually results in an injury. Concussion issues. Unlike Allen, when Rosen is forced to move out of the pocket his accuracy drops like crazy to 42.4 and he has a poor deep ball completion percentage. UCLA runs a 3 WR pro-style set but in a WCO scheme that doesn't throw deep that often. Rosen's arm isn't all that strong either. Rosen looks as slick as it gets because he was in a scheme that fits what he does. I'd rather draft Allen and let him sit a year. Isn't that why they signed AJ?

The Bills just traded away a more accurate, safer with the ball running QB. why on earth would they even be looking at another who needs a few years of development time.