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While I agree to a point that we don't know if Deball will be another Pederson and all we fans can do is hope he is close to that good. I think the more important issue is the offensive line and the fact that McD has already stated the best man will win the starting job. This scares the hell out of me because i think Allen will win the starting job and then get ruined along the way. Even if he doesn't win the starting job and the Bills have him as the third string I think the first two (AJ & Mr 5 pick) will get destroyed in short order and Allen still gets ruined. Like Dilfer stated its imperitive that Allen sit and learn at least until that line gains some continuity and should that never happen this year then Allen should sit. JMO

I think there were three of us that really liked Josh Allen before he was a Buffalo Bill. Bandit, Metz and myself. This year I really studied all four of the top QB's and came away so impressed with Allen and what he has accomplished since high school. He was the only QB in this year's draft I wanted to see become a Buffalo Bill. So very happy he became a Bill and I think over time he will win over very Bills fan. Watch This!

Awesome, love Kim Pegula! Now that Brandon is gone I hope they find someone who will actually get some good sponsors in there to upgrade the experience.

I think Allen was the Buffalo Bills #1 QB all along and here is why. Allen has that big frame with powerful arm and he played in the snow, cold and wind at Wyoming. Darnold with his 22 turnovers in 13 games and that wasn't even in cold weather. Rosen with his fragile scrawny frame and Mayfield with his attitude, play style. That said I think the Bills would have had to accept who fell to them out of the top four and I kinda doubt that any of those four would have been off their board. Who knows what would have happened had the NY Giants actually wanted to trade that #2 pick without asking for that 2019 first. Or any of the other teams willing to let Buffalo trade up other than Tampa. As it turned out the Bills landed what I think is the perfect fit for the Bills fans to love, a big, tough blue-collar type QB with a cannon for an arm. Get used to seeing frozen ropes!

What I was basically saying was that when you have such a strong stabilizing force at left guard it helps both the center and left tackle play better. Woods was an above average player and so was Glenn without Incognito and an all pro in there allowed them to be even better. Replacing all three at once will be a daunting task as the right side was already weak with Mills at right tackle and I can only think that before Glenn's injury Dawkins was brought in to lock down that RT position. Now that isn't going to happen. We really don't know how good Dawkins will be at LT without that stabilizing force next to him and he may or may not hold up well this season. The Bills have Groy listed as an OG on the website with Russell and Adam as centers. Ducasse, Groy Miller, and Teller at OG. Dawkins, James, McDermott, Mills, Newhouse, Wesley at tackle. From what I see they lost all continuity on that line and losing all three veteran quality starters will be a huge issue going forward. This reminds me of 2010 where the Bills line was a hot mess and that year they even had Wood, Levitre. That season started 0-8 and finished 4-12 because the QBs were running for their lives most of the time. That season the Bills had Fitz who was able to do his Mike Vick impression with 269 yards rushing @ 6.7 YPC avg. Man, I can only hope that Allen isn't thrown into the fire with that current line or all the effort and picks put into finding that unique talent will be wasted. JMHO.

This is it exactly. All the top QBs had better talent around them in 2017 over Allen. What worries me is that Cam Newton had better talent around him in his first season. If you look at the quality of players around Newton in his first season he had a bunch of first and second rounders on that offensive line that was veteran players like all pro center Ryan Kalil. Greg Olsen at TE, Steve Smith at WR. That 2011 Panther team was 11th in rushing attempts yet were #3 in yards, #1 in TDs and #1 in YPA. Granted Newton had 706 yards rushing and 14 rushing TD's. He also had 4051 passing yards. Now Allen will have McCoy at RB, Benjamin at WR, Charles Clay at TE. But his offensive line will be hot garbage with no Incognito, Woods or Glenn. That all-pro at left guard made both the center and left tackle that looked so much better than they actually were. The Buffalo Bills need to drastically upgrade the talent on that offensive line or no QB will play well in 2018.

It was more like Bandit, Metz and myself liked Allen and the rest loved Rosen...the chosen. Most of the board wanted the Bills to trade up to the #2 spot to draft Rosen.

I'm kind of hoping that a new marketing person might bring some new advertisers to the camp as the last few years it's gotten worse and worse.

Not entirely surprising as I've heard things about the man over the years from people that knew him personally. That at times he was a weasel. I never wanted him fired, just away from the football side. Now though, glad he is done.

Naturally, this is all Baker Mayfield's agent talking... No way the Patriots were after Mayfield in that #2 spot unless they were willing to give up their 2019 first perhaps or the Bills would have made a deal. Mayfield just didn't grade that high. Even then I don't buy the Mayfield stuff of him being sought after by the Patriots. Mostly because of the kid's personality wouldn't fit in with Bill Belichick at all. Ole Bill doesn't like crotch grabbers. Then the Giants weren't going give up that #2 spot just like the Broncos were waiting to see who fell to them at the #5 pick and it was Chubb so no way they trade out. Same with the Colts and taking Quinton Nelson. Buffalo made the earliest deal they could with TB and they overpaid considering the values. But then we don't know who else was after Josh Allen, we have an idea it was Arizona and it could have been both Miami and New England too would be my guess. Then looking how little the Cards gave up for Rosen leads me to think nobody else wanted the guy. This!

Both QBs were initially accepted as "about time the team drafted a QB". The problem was looking at the regimes both were drafted into as I highly doubt any QBs drafted could succeed in Buffalo with the morons in charge during those times! The crappy coaching staffs, the bad schemes, the bad offensive lines all started right after the team fired a good GM in John Butler. Tom Donahoe traded for Drew Bledsoe and attempted to draft an LT to upgrade the offensive line and yet while the intentions were good and in the right spot, he failed in that pick because of bad scouting. Bledsoe was a brilliant passer when protected and a disaster when under pressure. Needless to say, that bad offensive line kept happening year after year. JP briefly looked good in 2006 but the lack of quality coaching, offensive scheme, lack of a decent offensive line ultimately did him in that as time went on he was seeing, hearing phantom sackers. EJ had mostly the same problems only more pronounced considering he had no QB coach, no veteran QB and the only guy teaching him in his rookie year was an OC who had never been an NFL OC. No QB could develop under those conditions. Trent Edwards, speaking of bad offensive lines. Edwards was concussed right out of the NFL. Bottom line here is the majority of this fan base wanted the frail, fragile but slick QB in Josh Rosen and are upset the Bills drafted Allen. Currently, the Bills have three young QB's on the roster just like they did in 2013 except AJ has some good bench experience. I'm very concerned about the offensive coaching in developing Allen, Peterman and that hot garbage offensive line. I only hope to god that Allen doesn't get thrown into the fire this year. Or, the end result might be what we all saw with JP, EJ, TE.

Also, the drug rumors originally suggested that Marino was a partier, not a serious drug abuser. "It started off with just the idea that he was partying," Didinger recalled. "Then it grew more sinister from that." "People absolutely looked at it that there was a group of guys on the Panthers that just had too good a time," Demoff said. "It was never about addiction." The Marino drug rumor was so prevalent at the end of the 1982 college season that Pitt actually tested Marino for drugs. Demoff knew about the test. "[Marino] told me that the school had heard about a group of players using marijuana or drugs, and they internally tested all the players. They were all clean," Demoff said. http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2519683-nfl-urban-legends-dan-marino-drug-rumors-and-the-draft-day-slide

When you think that the majority of this board wanted the Bills to trade up to the #2 spot to draft Rosen while giving up six of their top picks and perhaps even the #1 in 2019. The Bills got two of the best players in their class in this years draft, best QB, best linebacker. Beane killed it this year.

I greatly admire this kids heart and determination in knowing that he was turned down by 800+ schools and still found his way into a program to be the starting QB. Then once he got there he played well enough to have back to back winning seasons 8-6, 8-5 with his final season a bowl game win. Now go back and look at that program before Allen 2-10, 4-8, 5-7, 4-8 When he first got to Wyoming he was this scrawny 198lb weakling and grew into that big 240 lb frame. EJ wishes he had Allen's arm and IQ. The only thing that concerns me about this season is if the team is going to upgrade the offensive line after trading away Glenn and losing Incognito, Woods. That line is hot garbage now and no QB is going to play well unless it is fixed. Oh, and I dunno know or understand why you think Beane "blew" the 2018 draft. Yeah, he blew it alright, blew it out into outer space. Most every Bills fan on this board wanted Beane to trade up to the #2 spot to select Josh Rosen thus giving up the Bills two #1s, two #2s, two #3s and some even wanted to give up the 2019 first round pick too. Not only did Beane get the Bills future franchise QB in the first round he also got the best linebacker too. Two blue-chip players, he killed it!

Do some research and if you still don't like him then wait until he plays and then criticize his performance or praise it. If you can't get over some stats of his for only two years of playing then that's your problem. I love the kid and am convinced that Beane, McD also fell in love for obvious reasons aside from the physical standpoint. Allen has such as great work ethic, great temperament, blue-collar type who played in the snow, cold and wind in Wyoming. With no real experienced talent around him, he carried a team to an 8-5 record and won a bowl game. His intangibles are off the charts. I think Josh Allen was their guy from day one and not only did they get the best QB in the draft they also got the best linebacker both in the first round. Beane killed it! Craig Bohl his HC at Wyoming shared an anecdote about Allen in a scrimmage. They had called a play with a pass to the fullback in the flat and instead, Allen threw a 65-yard rope for a TD. His coach said, Josh, what are ya doing? Allen replied "Farve says touchdowns first" joking of course. Bohl went on to say that he loves Allen. loves him, loves him to death. He also said he would see Josh out there playing during a game and would think to himself "oh no" here comes a sack and the next thing he knows its a frozen rope for a TD.

Jim Kelly had a severe shoulder separation in his senior year at Miami and that cut his season short. The injury was so bad he needed pins inserted to keep to together and afterward the doctors told him he might never fully recover a full throwing motion. Otherwise, I think Kelly is fighting Elway for that number one overall spot if not in the top five. John Elway, Eric Dickerson, Curt Warner, Chris Hinton. were the top four. On a different note in the 1988 draft, Don't forget that Thurman Thomas suffered an ACL tear and players had a very difficult time recovering from that back then. Plus, he had a lot of mileage on him at OSU with 897 rushes for 5,146 yards, 43 TDs and 21 100 yard rushing games. He also kept Barry Sanders on the bench after returning from his injury. Anyway, Thurman was thought to be a top 10 pick in the draft and all those miles and that knee injury scared teams away so he slipped into the second round, 40th overall. I can recall the ESPN cameras at his house watching him get passed by team after team. Also, Thurman once stated that he played on two bad ankles his entire professional career. I bring it up because the Bills owner seemed to spare no expense on some really great team doctors back then. Rusty Jones was the teams S&C coach and Marv called him his "secret weapon" as the team would go to play Miami in 90-degree weather and the Dolphin players would be gassed hands on the hips and the Bills players were in much better condition. As far as Dan Marino is concerned it wasn't rumored he had a "drug problem". It was more that he was a party animal and it was rumored he smoked some weed. Probably from a team that wanted his stock to drop.

Here is Allen's head coach at Wyoming talking Josh Allen. Enjoy! Love the part during a scrimmage where Allen throws a 65-yard rope for a TD. the coach says JOSH, just throw to the fullback and Allen say NO! Farve says touchdowns first! Love him, love him, love him to death!

Good lord, I hope they don't start the kid with that current offensive line without Woods, without Incognito, without Glenn... Jeez, at least give the kid a chance to survive the season or his career in Buffalo will be over before he can finish the season.

Wow, great stuff. Thanks for posting. Feels like Farve, feels like Elway. Did Buffalo just hit the jackpot or what?

Yea he was as so many here were disappointed the Bills didn't draft Josh Rosen. I still can't believe that Yolo's head didn't explode. Glad to see him come around and I think most fans will over time. The Bills killed this draft with two studs in the first when most fans wanted them to trade the farm for that #2 spot and Rosen.

Complete and utter horsecrap as they are nothing alike in the pocket. Allen compares to Cam Newton that he can escape rushers and easily run away from them. He is also like Big Ben in that he is so big it takes a ton to bring him down. Bledsoe was like Flacco in that he can run...like a mad stork on crack...rumbling...stumbling...bumbling. The biggest fault Bledsoe had was he couldn't escape the rushers due to his IMMOBILITY, and thus took far to many sacks. He also held the ball too long waiting for his receivers to break open. I'll tell you what though. I only hope Allen has a 14-year career with 4 pro bowls and a super bowl ring like Bledsoe.

I know you will want to hear this TPBF. I absolutely love the Allen pick at QB and the fact that the Bills got their inside linebacker in the first round too. Two studs in the first round when every Bills fan out there wanted this FO to trade two 1sts, two 2nds, two 3rds all for that #2 spot to draft Josh Rosen...a QB that nobody really wanted.

I agree with you. It is a bit scary at this particular point time that the Bills don't have that stellar/superstar QB coach or QB guru on the staff to help develop Allen, Peterman and AJ McCarron. OTOH, reading what Jordan Palmer had to say after working with Allen in that they had worked to fix his accuracy issues. Perhaps the team will allow Palmer to keep working with Allen. I say this because Palmer also worked with Deshaun Watson for a few years and greatly helped him. Palmer strikes me as a genuine QB guru. https://247sports.com/nfl/cleveland-browns/Article/Duke-Johnson-David-Njoku-first-to-welcome-former-Hurricane-to-Browns-117771328

What's wrong with some Bills fans? The Bills didn't draft the guy THEY liked so suddenly the owner made the pick? Listening to Kim Pegula on the NFL Network a few days before the draft she stated that they were deeply involved in every aspect of the draft process except for the selection process. Because although they do watch film they have no idea what they are looking at...so they let the people that do know make the selections. Her Words!

If you listen to Beane in the BB PC Josh Allen was their guy all along and a perfect fit in Buffalo. A big guy like Wentz, Cam Newton with an even bigger arm, played in the cold, snow and wind at Wyoming. Beane stated they got off the plane in Wyoming to meet and greet the kid and the weather conditions it was like they never left Buffalo. Josh Allen was their guy...and I even question if it wasn't someone the Buffalo Bills know who released those tweets so the kid would drop in the draft. It was also clear that the Bills were fighting some other teams in a bidding war to get Allen as they paid a pretty stiff price to secure him. Could have been Miami, Arizona, and even NE. At the same time, nobody wanted Josh Rosen as Arizona didn't need to pay much to move up to get him.