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Some of the current Bills O linemen aren't bad run blockers so If that's the way they want to go forward most plays they might be thinking that they will be okay. OTOH, when opponents stack the box and dare them to pass and they don't have more than 1.5 seconds because the line can't hold their blocks and the receivers can't get separation...well then things will fall quickly. It's all going to be on Shady to do his Barry Sanders moves and if he can't make it to the line of scrimmage...

It's kinda scary to think this team is going forward with the same offensive line players. Like some sort of magic potion will give them the extra talent on gameday or something. The plan to tank for real this year? Because Vontae Davis looked almost as bad at CB as did the line players on every string. Shades of Doug Whaley drafting EJ and then asking him to start with Erik Pears at OG. If that year's line (2014 because Pears had a -25 grade)was ranked 30th I gotta think this year's line will be Buffalo's worst ever. The 2018 Buffalo Bills leading the league...in sacks allowed and Interceptions.

Doubt that will happen as the current Buffalo Bills offensive line is still so very offensive... as it's very frustrating waiting for each new regime to comprehend that you NEED talent on BOTH sides of the lines. Hey, Bill good to see you hanging in there.

They didn't have the money to pay him what he wanted as it would cripple their cap space. And more importantly, he didn't make their defense that much better last year with him on the team. The Bills paid 100 million to super Mario and had Dareus, also had the #4 defense in the NFL and still didn't make the playoffs. Plus this.

This season it's not all about the QB's...well it is to a degree. But it's more about that offensive line and "IF" Beane can upgrade it at some point. The middle of that line hasn't been this weak since before Eric Wood and you would think that having an all-pro playing at a particular position would make the coaches/FO realize how important that position is to the line. Same with the left guard position. 6 wins max unless they fix that line... We all saw that all three QBs currently on the roster can make the throws if given time to throw.

In my view, Whaley's forte was on the defensive side as he seemed to bring in better defensive talent than offensive ...and yet he missed on Khalil Mack. Also, I think that the Sammy Watkins trade up defined his career as a GM in the thinking that a stud wide receiver would greatly help his choice at QB in EJ Manuel. Clearly, he must have watched nothing but highlight film of Sammy at Clemson but he didn't take into consideration that most of Watkins yards were obtained from screenplays. A play which the Bills don't run very often. I can recall that right after drafting Watkins the Bills FO stating that they were still looking for that big, tall red zone WR target. If that were the case then why didn't he simply draft WR Mike Evans who has had four 1000+ yard seasons for the Bucs. The man failed to build a decent offensive line to protect his rookie QB and didn't have enough common sense to make certain that EJ would be developed properly by having an NFL QB coach, an NFL veteran QB or at least an actual NFL offensive coordinator to teach him. As it was EJ, Jeff Tuel, and Thad Lewis were all left to be taught by Nathaniel Hackett who is now Blake Bortles OC. At the time Hackett had no experience as an NFL OC and had been the OC at Syracuse under Marrone. Whaley failed on many levels, so many positions, so many wrong choices on building a team the wrong way. Heading back to the topic of this thread. The only place I think this FO, Beane McD have partially failed in is rebuilding the offensive line quickly as was needed. McD did draft Dion Dawkins to play RT last year which was a great move to shore up a badly manned position. The problem was Dawkins was needed at LT where he did a masterful job his first season. Woods neck injury, Richie's mental meltdowns happened sort of fast and this FO probably consulted their O-line coach to see how they stood in that department and Castillo probably told him he had things under control. This FO also must have consulted with that line coach to determine how best to handle the situation. Although McD must think highly of his coach in Juan Castillio. I think that will change after this season or I hope it will. The way I see it is that this team is desperate for quality talent at OC, LG, RG, RT in that order. Meaning that most of the line needs to be rebuilt though next years draft or some trades made. How Beane handles this offensive line problem will define how Josh Allen develops which could end up defining both McD and Beane's careers in the NFL.

No way AJ doesn't make this team or gets traded considering the shape of that offensive line and their backups. If Peterman starts I suspect he will last about a half against the Ravens and Allen might make it a few games. If this regime wants to survive the season they will probably need more than three QB's.

How ya like me NOW!

I'm thinking McD is going to be happy making some of these cuts...

I turned the game off...

And that's the starters. The backups wouldn't make a college team.

Welp, now we know that more than just the offensive line sucks... 1st pick overall here we come

A lot of draft sites have the Buffalo Bills selecting the #1 overall pick next year and I'm starting to think they are right

It's otherwise and it's been that way all preseason.

Hey, just noticed that the red zone is working if you have it.

He has four more to go this half...

To me the Bills FO would be beyond stupid to trade away McCarron considering how bad that current Buffalo offensive line has performed. I'd say by week six all three Bills QBs will be on IR.

2019 NFL draft rankings: It’s going to be a great year for pass rushers https://www.sbnation.com/nfl-mock-draft/2018/8/30/17794992/2019-nfl-mock-draft-players-rankings-nick-bosa-ed-oliver-justin-herbert-dexter-lawrence DRAFTWIRE Has Buffalo selecting the first overall pick. 1. Buffalo Bills | Nick Bosa | EDGE | Ohio State It's best player available for the Bills, who already have what they hope is a franchise… https://draftwire.usatoday.com/gallery/2019-nfl-mock-draft-updated-projections-heading-into-week-1/ Walterfootball.com also has the Buffalo Bills selecting the #1 overall pick in the 2019 NFL draft. http://walterfootball.com/draft2019charlie.php

Mario was one of the best pass rushers in the NFL in Buffalo under Pettine, Schwartz. His problems started when Rex Ryan took him out of a 4-3 and put him in his 3-4 defense to play DE. Thus instead of asking him to solely rush the passer, he was asked to take on the 300 plus offensive tackle or drop into pass coverage while the Bills craptastic linebackers were supposed to make plays. This is why Rex Ryan's defense sucked so badly! Dareus not only had off the field issues he also got lazy in Buffalo once he got that big contract. While Mack is a force to be reckoned with in Oakland's 4-3 defensive scheme. He is also somewhat undersized as an NFL defensive end @ 6'3 252 LBs. Mario was 6'6' 300 Lbs. Like I said in an earlier post in this thread that the Bills and Bills fans have been down this road before with a pass rusher. The Bills led the NFL in sacks and pass rush and it didn't even get them into the playoffs. At this point, the Bills need more talent at many positions rather than one DE who can rush the passer. As for all the fans wanting to give up TWO first round picks for Mack. Just remember that in the time leading up to the last draft that 90% of Bills fans wanted this FO to give up TWO first round picks and perhaps that 2019 first round pick all to the NY Giants to move up to take Josh Rosen with the #2 overall pick. Both Beane and McD know what they are doing and I highly doubt we will ever see Mack in a Bills uni for anything close to even a number one pick or make the guy one of the highest paid defensive players in the NFL. Leave this to the more stupid NFL GM's.

Whaley made so many stupid moves too. Bills fans forget that Whaley personally went down to Fla and scouted EJ and he made the choice on him. Then attempted to build around a bad choice at QB. Two firsts and a fourth for a WR when the team didn't have a solid franchise QB. Whaley signed OG Chris Williams for 13.5 mill, 5.5 guaranteed money for a player that lasted 3 games. Anyone remember WR Mke Williams, OG Sam Young, OG Doug Legursky? Incognito and Tyrod Taylor were Rex Ryan's guys as he vouched for Richie and he wanted Taylor signed. Whaley had his chance with Richie the year before to sign him and didn't. Jerry Hughes move was a mistake of that imbecile GM of the Colts who wanted to foolishly rid the team of Bill Polians last 1st round draft pick as he called Whaley to start the negotiations. Same with McCoy as Chip Kelly wanted him off the team and called Whaley to start negotiations. Allowing WR Chis Hogan to leave to NE. Whaley also got this team into cap hell and helped make the wrong choices on head coaches. The biggest knock on the guy is how many of his draft picks are still with the team today? The 2017 draft doesn't count as most are pretty sure McD made those choices. Both Whaley and the entire scouting dept were fired after the 2017 draft. There is a real reason as to why Whaley is currently not an NFL GM. "It's a violent game that I personally don't think humans are supposed to play." *Anyway, I think that Beane, McD has the ship headed in the right direction. Just want to see that offensive line rebuilt with some quality talent.

When the Bills signed Mario Williams for 100 million in 2013 he came to a near perfect fit defense for his skillset and Mike Pettine did utilize him accordingly. Mario had 13 sacks in 2013 with a defense that was 20th in points allowed, 10th in yards allowed. That 2013 Buffalo Bills team finished the year 6-10. Buffalo was the number two team in sacks that year behind only Carolina. In 2014 the Buffalo Bills defense with new DC Jim Schwartz was the number four defense overall #4 in points allowed, #4 in points allowed. This was the perfect scheme for Mario Williams as he led the entire NFL in sacks with 14.5 and Buffalo led the NFL in sacks with 54. The 2014* Buffalo Bills finished the season 9-7 and no playoffs. In 2017 the Buffalo Bills made the playoffs for the first time since 2000 and they were 29th in the NFL in sacks with only 27. Meanwhile, the Oakland Raiders with Mack was 24th in the NFL with 30 sacks. Speaking of Mack his best year was in 2015 in which he had 15 sacks, 2016, 11 sacks, 2017, 10 sacks. While Mack is a good pass rusher... did he make the Raiders a playoff team in 2017 with his pass rush? In a word, NO! The 2017 Oakland Raiders were 17th overall defense with 20th in points allowed, 23 in yards allowed. Not a very good defense. Like others have pointed out that this current Buffalo Bills team isn't one pass rusher away from a super bowl or even the playoffs, much less a winning season. The Buffalo Bills already went through this with DE Mario Williams and Bills fans going nuts (hundreds of pages in a post in this forum) thinking that he was the key to a Buffalo Bills championship. He wasn't and the Bills had a far more talented roster at that time. Last year 15 players had more sacks than Mack. Making a player like Mack one of the highest paid defensive ends in the league and giving up two first-round picks to the Raiders for him would be more than moronic considering how many holes this team currently still has. I think the Bills FO inquired because of the need for a decent pass rusher and now that they know what It would take to acquire the player I think it's cost prohibitive both money wise and draft picks wise.

The Bills paid 100 million to Mario Williams and had the best pass rush in the NFL...where did it get them? The Bills had Marcel Dareus one of the very best DT's in the league and he got paid and got lazy. Two first rounders for Sammy, was he worth that, is he worth what he is now getting paid? Paying all that money and draft choices to and for Mack is another fool's errand. This team is in the process of being built properly and while Mack might look like a bright, new shiny toy... all bringing him in would do is hurt the process on so many levels.

While it is true that he did go into his shell against the Patriots the week after the Chiefs win. Tyrod did play better against the Dolphins 2x and the Patriots the second time. He found his shell again for the Jags playoff game and hence a big reason for trading him away and trading up for a QB. Speaking of that Chiefs win Tyrod did play better on the road at Arrowhead against a future playoff team and he ended that game with a rating of 94.5. Looking at those numbers Peterman had against the Saints when they were dominating the Bills in that game I can see why McD might take a chance in starting him the following week. I'm not making excuses for anyone as I'm just giving my 2 cents.

I think that the Peterman start was a part of a big reason as to why OC Rick Dennison was fired as he probably told McD that the guy was ready to make a start. As bad as it looked... it was actually a good thing because it lit a fire under Tyrod's butt and he stopped being so tentative like he was against the Saints which got him benched in the first place. Anyone else recalls that in more than three quarters against that New Orleans team Tyrod went 9 of 18 for 56 yards, one INT with a rate of 33.6. Then Peterman came in late in the fourth quarter and went 7 of 10 for 79 yards and one TD with a rate of 126.7.