Nihilarian

I wonder how long it will take before we see Matt Barkley? How many picks by Peterpick?

Not sure about history of past teams. I can just say that Rex Ryan didn't outlive a 7-8 season. This team went from a low passing offense to a non passing offense and has regressed badly this year without Tyrod. That vaunted Bills #1 run game died along the way too. If McD doesn't make an offensive change by the bye week I can see the entire coaching staff getting the axe after the season or even at some point along the way. Shame too because I like what McD has done with the defense. He has no clue about the offense or offensive coaches.

I see your points and it looks like we will have to agree to disagree. While you think the talent is historically bad. I think it's the historically bad coaching making the bad talent look even worse then it actually is. I really do agree with you on Castillo as he really stinks! Also, why on earth hire a man who was a WR coach and has never coached QBs to be a coach for a rookie QB you spent a #7 overall pick on? I look at it this way. Changes could be made soon, or not. And if not, perhaps everyone goes at the end of the year.

The more important point was that an experienced veteran QB is finding the supposed bad receivers who are actually catching the ball and the line is blocking well enough to allow those throws. It's not like it's a constant jailbreak with Bills QBs running for their lives or getting sacked every play and this coming from a QB 4 weeks off the street. The debate here is it the players? the coaching? I say it's both. The current OC who has never had an offense above the 23rd worst in 5 seasons with 4 different teams...and is about right on par with coaching the worst offense in the league for the 2018 Buffalo Bills. I think McD will very soon (bye week) have an important decision to make because I don't see these owners tolerating a 2-14 season as they didn't tolerate Rex Ryan's 7-8 season.

All good points, save #3 in which you have an OC laying the entire offense on a rookie QB and then calling for mid to deep passes when he doesn't know how to set protections or read a defense much less have the time to throw those mid to deep passes. He did it to Peterman too. This is simply the wrong way to do things. Daboll isn't setting up an offense to help a rookie evolve, develop, learn. He ran his offense like he had an experienced veteran back behind center and the only time his game planning worked is when the team had the lead. Funny how the Bills could pound the ball so effectively against two pretty good defenses in the Titans, Vikings when they had a lead. Plus, all the penalties over the season 60 for 479 yards and most are on the offense, holding, false start, players not lining up correctly. This is simply a poorly coached offense. I watched the raiders at SF game last night and saw a kid by the name of Nick Mullens who had been on the Niners practice squad last year, and this year. He was pulled off that practice squad with only one week to prepare...he looked like Joe Montana ripping the Raiders a new one over and over. That's coaching! Both the Raiders and 49ers were 1-7 teams and this looked like what the 1-5 Colts did to the Bills, only they had Andrew Luck. You keep saying that the Buffalo Bills offensive players are historically bad and while I agree they are not all that good. Historically bad, no! I think it's the current Buffalo Bills coaching offensive coaching staff that's historically bad.

I asked myself how do you tank with a franchise QB starting... then realized I'm watching it.

Jeez, Carr stinks 12 of 16 for 124 yards...and some Bills fans think he would do better in Buffalo

The 49ers were holding so badly on that TD run it was downright ridiculous. Not called.

When you have a UDFA QB that has been on the practice squad come in and play like that it's not just luck. It's really good coaching.

Most head coaches like McD that are from a defensive background have no clue about the offense and usually leave those decisions to the offensive coaching staff. I gotta believe that the current offensive coaches are at fault for the wrong evaluation with Peterman and the HC is going by the consensus of his offensive staff. That said, I expect a OC coaching change pretty soon considering no TDs in the last 50 drives. This lack of offense is killing the entire team as the defense wears down from bring on the field so much. At the bye perhaps.

I keep reading from Bills fans defending the current OC that McVay or Kyle Shanahan couldn't make this offense work. Who the... is Nick Mullens and he has thrown 2 TDs already.

This whole thing is such a mess it reminds me of the year Peyton Manning was injured and what crapfest QBs they signed to fill in, Curtis Painter, Dan Orlovsky, Kerry Collins. Naturally they went 2-14 and drafted Luck with the first overall pick. To those that don't know the entire story it might look like the team is attempting to tank but that's not what happened. This team had some QBs I their sights from the start and the thinking was that Peterman was going to hold down the fort until Josh Allen was ready. So somebody clearly screwed up with that thinking. This FO wasn't going to get into a bidding war over a QB that they might not want starting the entire season. I can see why they didn't want Bradford, Bridgewater, Keenum. From what Steve Tasker had stated on his talk show was that this FO was looking at Derek Anderson even before they talked with AJ McCarron. They wanted Anderson to come in and be a mentor for Allen like he was for Cam Newton. This was also the reason they didn't bring in another veteran QB because they were waiting to hear what Anderson wanted to do. He was a priority for this FO because he had no problem not starting and was agreeable to mentor Allen. AJ McCarron let be known after he was in Buffalo that he wanted to start and wasn't amenable to mentoring Allen and thus the reason he was traded. Although, we fans gotta remember that Peterman looked darn good in preseason as his lone interception was a tipped pass off the finger tips of Ivory. He had a completion percentage of 80.5% which is insane. He was very decisive with very quick throws and the offensive line didn't look so bad with him behind center. Peterman had also thrown for the fourth best yards with 431. I can see solid reasons as to why this FO/coaching staff did what they did with the QB situation and they must think that there is still hope for Peterman or he would be long gone.

Don't think I've ever seen Daboll call a run play from a 5 WR shotgun spread. Fitz and Anderson are both backups and the latter only had 3 weeks to prepare and still threw for 290 yards. Anyway, You seem to have nonchalantly glossed over the more important points. 1st. With Daboll the run game goes out the window even being down by as little as 3 points as this happened for 3 quarters against New England. He likes to go pass happy! the score shouldn't change the game plan unless its late in the 4th quarter and the team is down by a ton. 2nd. Fails to see which RB has the hot hand and then utilize them to build a decent ground game, Ivory had the hot hand against NE with a 5.7 YPC AVG, and he saw only 6 carries. This has happened in other games too. Against the Colts Marcus Murphy a 13.3 YPC and he saw only 4 carries. Ivory was getting a 5.1 YPC and he saw 16 carries. He should have seen 25+. week 6 against the Texans McCoy was getting 4.6 YPC and saw only 16 carries. week 4 against the Packers McCoy was getting 4.8 YPC and saw 5 carries...WTF! 3rd. calling for mid to deep passes when he must know that offensive line won't give the QBs the time needed to make those throws. Thus the sacks, INTs, errant throws, throw aways. 4th. running the ball should be the top priority and finding different ways to get the best player on offense in space (McCoy)should also be a top priority. The way this team is running the ball up the middle or off left guard is making McCoy look bad. Against the Patriots he had 12 rushes for 13 yards. This tells me he is getting hit in the backfield and has no room to run. On the coaches! Daboll stunk in his former jobs as OC and he is even worse with less talent in Buffalo. No TDs on 50 drives! 87-200 point differential. Yikes!

Just because the team gets behind in points.. it should never cause them to throw the baby out the window with the bathwater. Run your game plan no matter what because they don't have an elite QB...as they have a rookie behind center. Throwing 33 times a game with a rookie QB (or an inexperienced QB Peterman, or a guy just 3 weeks off the street) and no run game is just plain stupid. While I agree that the talent is lacking...very much so. It's also lacking in the coaching with all the stupid penalties, the bad schemes, game plans. Did I mention that Daboll isn't the only culprit here as the line coach/run game coordinator Juan Castillo also stinks. This OC shouldn't be calling for mid to deep passes that require time to throw when the line can't conceivably give him that time. Thus all the sacks, throw aways, errant throws. Chan Gailey had Fitz, like Anderson who can read a defense and set protections. Anderson threw 41 times for 290 yards against NE and what did it accomplish? The Bills weren't down by that much against NE and there was no reason in the world to rush the ball only 19 times. 1st QTR down by 3 pts, 2nd QTR down by 3 pts, 3rd QTR down by 3 pts. The Patriots were keying on McCoy 12 rushes for 13 yards and yet Ivory 6 rushes for 34 yards a 5.7 YPC avg. SO WHY NOT RUN IVORY MORE? 19 rushes vs 41 throws was simply moronic. BTW, Gailey also ran a spread formation which was easier to run from because the defense was so spread out that all the RB needed to do was beat one defender and it was a race. That's scheme!

So many fans think the second half of the season will be easier for that rookie QB. 2-6 with 7 games to go. Chicago @Jets Bye @Miami Jets Detroit @New England Miami Cleveland 2-5 Oakland 1-6 NY Giants 1-7 Arizona 2-6 San Fran 1-7

Very well said! It almost makes me wonder if Daboll is still on Robert Kraft's payroll to throw games. Then I look at his history and say nah, he just sucks and always has. Now that Patriots game was week 8 and I'm kind of surprised a change wasn't made this week. Although you might be right in that he won't make it past the bye week. The team has an experienced NFL HC and OC in WR coach Terry Robiskie.

I did mention that the lack of talent was a problem and coaches are supposed to make do with what they have on the roster. I just think Bills fans are using this as the ONLY excuse and the talent isn't as bad as they make it sound. Look at the first five games to see the discrepancy between the run vs pass: Ravens 22 rushes vs 33 passes. Chargers 22 rushes vs 33 passes. Vikings 38 rushes vs 22 passes. WIN Green Bay 16 rushes vs 38 passes. Titans 43 rushes vs 20 passes. WIN Houston 27 rushes vs 29 passes. Colts 22 rushes vs 31 passes. Patriots 19 rushes vs 41 passes. Now, some of the passes Daboll was asking the rookie QB in to make are middle to deep passes with a bad line and knowing he has difficulty reading defense and setting protections. What's wrong with that picture? The Run game gets stuffed so he stops calling run plays and calls for more passes KNOWING he is making a rookie QB carry the offense. Now look at the Vikings game and the Bills rushed 38 times for 128 yards, 2 TDs. The thing is QB Josh Allen 10 rushes for 39 yards had both of those rushing TDs. Passing Josh Allen was 15 for 22, for 196 yards, 1 TD. Bills 38 rushes vs 22 passes which is a reverse of what happened in the first two games. The Bills got the lead early and the run game worked, the passing game worked and the Bills literally dominated the Vikings 27-6. So why didn't this happen in other games? It did against the Titans, the Bills rushed for 43 times vs 20 passes, controlled the clock more and won the game. Against the Patriots Anderson threw for 290 yards! Alas, 19 rushes vs 41 passes. Anderson can make some of those throws that Allen and Peterman don't see and it doesn't always help with no run game. What QB would work in this offense without the run game to support him? LeSean McCoy is by far the best talent on this offense and this OC needs to find a way to get him the ball in space in both the run game and pass game. Gailey could do it... why cant Daboll?

I think you're wrong. I think he is the biggest problem. Yes, the offensive line talent is lacking. Yes, the receiver talent is lacking. The thing is the offensive coordinator should be able to take these things into consideration and compensate. From what I've read here that Hapless Bills fan has posted is that in the first 5 games the Bills run game was far too complex and asking far to much from the current talent on hand. Bill Parcells would look over the weekly offensive game plan and throw out all but about 25 plays. This is how it should be setup for inexperienced QBs and the rookie. Pound the ball and move the chains by running. Once you have established that run game then you can pick and choose the passes you want as long as they are not complex. Running the ball works and it works even better if you have an elite QB. The Buffalo Bills don't have an elite QB so they should be focused on making what they do have work. Get McCoy the ball, running, passing. Forget the deep passing game and just focus on quick short passes to move the chains all the way down the field to the end zone...to score!

Some of us are aware that Daboll brought the NE playbook with him to Buffalo and he has been using it to a degree. I also believe that Daboll was brought in to improve the downfield passing scheme by using that playbook. What a lot of Bills fans don't get is that it makes a world of difference as to who is calling the offensive plays! This is so important because Josh McDaniel's runs that NE offense they way it has always been run with Brady. That is to MOVE THE CHAINS with either runs or short throws to the RBs/TE first by getting some first downs as this builds confidence and allows the QB to get into a rhythm. It also tests the defense to see what works and what doesn't. Look at the Patriots receiving leaders as it's mostly the TE in Gronk and the RB in James White and once the chains are moving. So the opposing defense is focused on stopping the shorter passes he looks deeper to the wideouts and they see more receptions. This is a general game plan, although things change week to week depending on the opponent. The problem with Buffalo is that for the first 7 weeks Daboll has been calling for the deeper passes without setting up the run game/short passing game first to move the chains. What problems occur with this is that neither Nathan Peterman nor Josh Allen know how to read a defense and set protections to be able to throw those deep passes. These young QBs can't read past the first or second read and this results in sacks, INTs or throw aways. The first few games when the Bills got behind in points fast then Daboll went to that deeper passing scheme and it didn't work so well because its inexperienced QBs were attempting to run it. What I'm getting at is Daboll didn't setup his offense to help those inexperienced QBs develop and progress as it put the entire weight of carrying the offense on their shoulders and they weren't ready for it. Build the run game even if it doesn't work right away as you have one of the very best RBs in the league in LeSean McCoy. For the first five weeks of the season Josh Allen was the leading rusher for the Bills. McCoy wasn't even being used very much each week, mostly 22 runs each game, 30 plus passes. Build a short, quick passing scheme along with that run game to allow the offense to move the chains. Last year McCoy was the teams leading receiver and this year he has only 19 receptions in 8 games. That vaunted Bills run game that they had the last few years in being #1 is now gone mostly because they don't even attempt to pound the ball. More passes called then run plays. Bottom line here is that Daboll's offense might work better if he had a more experience veteran QB that wasn't inexperienced or just off the street a few weeks. Then again, I kinda doubt it would because you need a semblance of a working run game to keep defenses honest and wondering if it's going to be run or pass. Look how bad this offense is...32nd in passing yards, 32nd in passing TDs. That once #1 in the NFL Buffalo Bills run game is now #23 in yards. I'm kinda surprised McD hasn't made a change at OC.

I wonder how many picks Peterman will have if he plays the entire game against Chicago? Hey, maybe he sets a new NFL record for most picks in a game! After that I gotta wonder if he stays on the roster very long ...or if McD strings up Daboll by his cojones?

These losing seasons are so difficult for the fans and it looks like the Bills will be competing for that #1 overall with the Raiders, 49ers, Browns and NY Giants. Top five won't seem so bad next April...so do we want Peterpick to start?

Speaking of Chad Kelly he might be more relevant at this point in time as Bronco fans wanted him over Case Keenum. On second thought it really does say something that this team doesn't consider Kaepernick who at least could run around to protect himself.

Got a link where McD states that he wants Allen to run? I ask because that is the exact opposite of why some say he hired Daboll to be the offensive coordinator. This OC has been calling for the deeper throws all season. The problem is these QBs besides Anderson can't read a defense and don't see the receivers past the first, second read and thus why the passing offense has been so abysmal before Anderson. McD doesn't want Allen to be another Cam Newton "the runner". He wants a pocket passer in which Allen was in college at Wyoming. He was in a vertical pro style scheme that called for deep throws. Yes, he ran at Wyoming and did very well because he was like a man among boys at 6'5 245lbs. As for Tyrod making this team a top 5 running team. Allen was the leading rusher after the first five games and still leads the team with 3 rushing TDs. The rushing game for Buffalo stunk because this OC simply wasn't calling run plays the first few weeks. Probably because the offense was in a hole in points most games. The only game all season in which the Bills ran more then they passed was against the Vikings week three. 38 rushes vs 22 passes. Like the OP stated. NO POINTS... AGAIN! This current OC stinks and is a big reason why the offense is so bad. the man has never fielded an offense better then 25th and this year looks to be no different.

That really is baloney! The QBs that replaced Tyrod Taylor are a rookie that should have sat out the year as he can't set protections or read defenses. The other is an interception waiting to happen and the last is a guy 3 weeks off the street. Taylor was a better option to have a rookie QB sit behind. Rick Dennison has a much better resume then Brian Daboll as Dennison actually ran some top ten offenses. Daboll has never OCed an NFL team out of the top 25. Plus, Dennison had the run game working well last year as they finished 4th in rush attempts, 6th in yards. Right now, Daboll has the 2018 Buffalo Bills 32nd in passing yards, 32nd in passing TDs and 23rd in rushing yards...he sucks! And how he is still holding onto his job is a mystery to me.

This years defense would be so much better if they weren't on the field so much and getting worn down almost every game. Think Vikings game! The Bills need to find a way to get that run game back to where it was the last few years in being #1 in rush yards, #1 in rush TDs and #1 yards per attempt. Currently 19th in points allowed, 6th in yards allowed. 6th in passing yards allowed.