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Plus, McD has chosen some really bad offensive coaches, OC, line coach, QB coach. I don't think I would trust this FO to obtain offensive talent next offseason if this coaching staff stays intact. In fact I think it will be another non-tank bad year for 2019 with Daboll, Castillo no matter who they bring in.

Yes he can. That said he has no clue about the offense like so many failed defensive coaches and some we had here already. I don't trust this FO to find quality offensive players next off season judging by the way they screwed up this past season.

This! Plus McNown is starting and he will get some.

Good stuff, thanks for posting. I read it all and felt a few points needed emphasis and it started in the offseason when someone decided that the offensive line would do okay without Woods, Incognito. When someone decided that Nathan Peterman would be a fine starting QB while Allen sits and learns. When someone hired a QB coach to help develop a rookie QB and a very inexperienced 2nd year QB and that QB coach had never been a QB coach previously. He was a WR coach. When someone decided that the team didn't need a veteran QB on the roster for the start of the season to help guide the inexperienced QBs that didn't know how to read a pre-snap defense or set protections. Someone decided at the start of the season to not use the best player on offense very often (McCoy) and force the newbie QBs to carry the offense. Bottom line is, the coaching is failing everywhere on the offensive side of the ball. The question is, what will McD do about it? What will Beane do about it? What will the owners do about it?

You keep saying this and yet all I hear from this FO is that they want to win and are doing everything they can to do just that. This is what I hear! They have never, ever said anything about rebuilding. "That's not it at all. It's about winning football games," McDermott said in June. "Our goals are to win now, because winning now helps you sustain success down the road." http://www.espn.com/blog/afceast/post/_/id/83848/buffalo-bills-coach-sean-mcdermott-avoiding-rebuilding-label-in-2017 They are failing this year... not due to a plan to rebuild ...but due to ineptitude in talent evaluation in the starting QB, the starting offensive linemen, the starting receiver corps. Perhaps he needs to look at the tape some more?

Buffalo was trading him so they had more ammo to move up to grab a QB as they got the 12th overall pick for him. The thinking must have been that Glenn was overpaid for what he brought @ 12 Mill per. While grading out well over the years he also regressed a bit until Incognito started next to him. Did the guy ever make the pro bowl?

You have to realize that McD hired Beane and was probably following what he asked to do by the HC. McD listened to his line coach who told him the line would be fine and he also listened to his OC who told him Peterman would be fine. Understand that these men have conferences in which they go to great lengths to talk over the roster, sometimes arguing. While Beane is somewhat culpable for the product on the field, he is also under McD on the org chart. At this point the buck should stop with the HC. I would keep Beane simply for the way he masterfully was able to obtain Josh Allen in the draft. So many Bills fans wanted the team to give up the farm trade up to that #2 spot with the NY Giants to draft Josh Rosen...the chosen! I think Beane worked some magic and got the best QB, LBer in this years draft. Now, someone needs to be held accountable for the Buffalo Bills 2018 offense which could not only set franchise records for being bad as they can set NFL records...they are close. If McD doesn't fires his OC then he needs to go. If you recall they really loved Rex Ryan too. They fired him in his 2nd year after regressing one game from 8-8 to 7-8 with one game left in the season. This bye week is going to be very interesting.

What we fans probably didn't hear about was that the owner probably hired a consulting firm to find the next HC and they recommended McD. They gave that new HC an awful lot of power for a new HC as he picked his coaches and GM. Right now the NFL is leaning towards hiring offensive minds and what's happening in LA rams, New Orleans, KC, Chicago, Minnesota are just reinforcing that idea with such commanding offenses. The thing is McD is a good defensive mind to a point. He is also a new HC and Beane is a new GM. These men don't understand the value of fielding a top offensive line or what happens when you lose two all pro players on that line, clearly. Or what happened this season wouldn't have happened. Rex Ryan, OTOH wanted to run his style of defense despite the personnel on the roster so he effectively killed an top 5 defense. What Ryan did do while he was here was find a QB in Tyrod Taylor and brought in a pro bowl LG in Richie Incognito. (Anyone else know how long it's been since this franchise had a pro bowl OG? Ruben Brown ring any bells?) Ryan also chased La"el Collins too. McD did the same thing with the Bills offense as he killed that #1 rushing offense that was number one for 2015, 2016 and went to #6 in 2017. This year its 23rd with the same RB. That 2016 offense was a top 10 offense and last year went to 22nd pts, 29th in yards. This year it's 32nd pts, 31st in yards. Sorry, but McD deserves to be fired for this mess of a season. Beane should stay as he was probably just doing what McD wanted. NOW.Ex Colt HC, ex Arizona HC Bruce Arians has stated he will return to coaching to coach the Cleveland Browns. If I'm Terry Pegula I'd be on the phone to Arians asap to properly develop Josh Allen. Keep the defensive coaching staff and fire the entire offensive side.

There is NO WAY this was planned. Its ineptitude pure and simple. Why tank this season when they already drafted their franchise QB? Not to mention putting that rookie QB out there behind a bad line with bad coaching, no run game. Drive killing penalties due to lack of discipline. If this regime starts Allen again it proves it wasn't planned and they are just too stupid to know any better. Why get that rookie QB injured or perhaps concussed like Anderson. It's almost insane! Bills DC Leslie Frazier can run the Buffalo Bills defense just fine without McD. This franchise needs an offensive mind at the top.

John, 2-7... The situation this team is currently in was made by this GM/HC. They had more then enough time to upgrade the offensive line, more then enough time to upgrade the QB situation and they went into this season with some bad players...mostly because they didn't have a clue as to just how bad they would be. I don't want them picking next years offensive players! Let me just add. This team has a great RB in LeSean McCoy who looks horrid due to bad coaching a 3.1 YPC AVG. Last year with Juan Castillo as line coach/run game coordinator McCoy was at 4.0 YPC AVG. In 2016 under Lynn as RBs coach and Aaron Kromer as line coach McCoy had a 5.4 YPC AVG. This offensive coaching staff stinks so bad! If McD refuses to make changes then he deserves to go too.

What a lot of fans don't see is this regime has no clue involving offensive talent. This happens with defensive minded head coaches. Jauron didn't have a clue about how important the offensive line was until he watched the NY Jets NT Kris Jenkins get triple teamed by both the Bills OGs and the center and he STILL sacked the QB! The Bills O line couldn't stop the guy and it caused Skeletor to forget about having nightmare's about Brady throwing TD passes to Randy Moss to having nightmare's of Jenkins sacking the Bills QB. The very next draft he drafted Eric Woods with a 1st round pick and Andy Levitre with a 2nd round pick. This FO/coaching staff thought they would be okay after losing Woods, Incognito. They thought Peterman would be a viable starter.

These owners fired Rex Ryan during a 7-8 season... after regressing by one win. This regime has already matched the losses for last year and needs to sweep the rest of the games to match last years record. ...or will there be more blowouts? I'll be shocked if this coaching staff remains intact after this season. Shoot, they may not even survive the bye week if the 3-6 Jets blowout the Bills like the 1-5 Colts did.

Finally, a dose of reality. I get that Bills fans want to defend their team, their coaches, their GM. I agree with jrober38 in that I expected a bad team (4-12 about right) due to the fact that they didn't adequately replace Woods, Incognito among other things. I don't think anyone expected this 2-7 debacle. There are some things that some fans just don't understand about what happened for most of the beginning of the season. Yes, the team got behind in points so the game plan went out the window and the OC went pass happy. It happened again in week 8 all game against the NE Patriots when the team was only behind 3 points in the first three quarters and it was only in the fourth that the Patriots jumped out far ahead. This OC going pass happy with a rookie QB was moronic, especially when you see him calling mid to deep passes that require a 5 to 7 step drop that takes time. Time for the receiver to break open, time for the QB to be able to step up in the pocket. The reality is that the Bills line wouldn't give the QBs more than two seconds most of time. Hence the 33 sacks which is second most sacks in the league. This offense wasn't set up for a rookie QB and the OC was calling plays like he had a veteran QB behind center that could read a pre-snap defense and call protections. Both Peterman and Allen are so raw that they don't know how to read a defense or set protections. Simply bad coaching. You know what I find striking in all this mess of a season is that in their two wins this team managed to run the ball very well against some very good defenses in Tennessee and Minnesota. Against Tenn, 43 runs, 20 passes, against Minn, 38 runs, 22 passes. This is the way the offense should have been all season and instead it's been the exact opposite with 30+ passes and 20 or so runs every game other then those two wins. Now, everybody defending this regime is blaming the players and I do agree to a point. Look at the grading for these players and they are not off the charts bad like they look. It's bad coaching that is making them look worse then they actually are. HaplessBillsfan did an in depth study of the run blocking and found that this years line was overly complex in their blocking assignments. Just like the OC asking the line to do things that they aren't capable of doing. Somebody made a judgement call on the offensive line players. Somebody made a judgment call on the QB situation in starting Peterman, no veteran QB on the roster for the first five games. Somebody hired an OC that didn't have a very good resume and then wanted him to develop a rookie QB and a 2nd year QB with very limited experience. Somebody hired a QB that had never previously been a QB to help develop two young inexperienced QBs. Simple ineptitude! We all need to remember that these owners fired a man they loved when they hired him during a 7-8 season because he regressed by one win! The 2018 Buffalo Bills currently 2-7 with a bye week coming up after the NY Jets game @ the Jets. 2-8 at the bye? I want to hear what Terry Pegula thinks about all this.

Got a link to this complete nonsense bolded? It's simply not true. Yes, we do know how bad they are because they are what their record says they are...2-7. It's not just about the bad players on offense as it's the bad offensive coaches too. All the penalties and the last game with Chicago it was 10 for 163 yards. This shows lack of discipline. 70 penalties for 640 yards on the season. Most penalties are on the offensive side. *If this GM/HC are now saying that this is a rebuild year then I hope to god they don't start Allen again with that mess of an offense as he might be able to win some games for them, but then again he might get injured again in doing so. Let Peterman play the next 7 games to see if he is even worthwhile keeping. As it is I don't get why he was even on the roster...much less expected to be the starting QB.

That is exactly right and I think the GM did a masterful job in finding a really good future franchise QB in the 2018 draft! The problem is then this same GM went on to surround this bright inexperienced new rookie QB with utter garbage, on the O line, on the offensive coaching staff. The offensive line is one of the very worst in the league in which the QBs have no time to throw and yet this doesn't stop that moron of an OC from calling mid to deep passing plays. Is it any wonder why Allen has been sacked 21 times in 5 games! Now look at what that kid managed to do in against of the toughest stretches of opponents in the league, he went 2-3, scored 5 TDs. Those two wins are the only wins for the year as Peterman is 0-2, Anderson is 0-2. Peterman has 2 TDs with a QBR of 6.5. That 2016 Buffalo Bills #1 in the league in run game, #1 in rush TDs, #1 in yards per rush attempt is now currently...#23 in rush yards, #23 in rush TDs (because Allen still leads the team in rushing TDs with 3)#30 in yards per attempt. This entire offensive coaching staff needs to be flushed down the toilet like the crap it is...

I agree. put everything into the offensive side of the ball as the current defense would be so much better with even a half way decent offense that could score 20 pts a game. that could run the ball to make first downs, control the clock and keep the defense off the field. Doubt that will happen though with McD as the HC.

You didn't answer the questions. Would you have played Josh Allen behind that line knowing how bad it is? Would you have gone into the season with Nathaniel Peterman as the starter with so little experience? I'll also ask, Would you have allowed the team to enter the season with no veteran QB on the roster to help guide the two inexperienced QBs? Would you have hired a QB coach that had never previously been a QB coach* to help develop two inexperienced QBs? It's like the blind leading the blind on offense. McD's first offensive hire was Juan Castillo the run game coordinator/ O line coach and he should have been fired last year with Dennison. This year McD hired an OC that has been an OC with 4 different teams for 5 seasons and each time his offenses were never better then 23rd and this year it's even worse. Ever wonder why the guy didn't retain a job as OC for long? The reality of the situation is that the line could have been upgraded as soon as they found out Eric Wood was done. This happened on freaking Jan 26th is when he announced his retirement. Which is more then enough time to find an equal replacement. Draft, free agency, trade. The problem is this FO thought everything would be fine with Ryan Groy and it wasn't. Richie Incognito retired in April 2018 which was more then enough time to find an equal replacement and again they didn't. This FO thought everything would be fine with Vlad Ducasse and again, it wasn't! This is complete incompetence on the line coach, the OC, the HC, the GM as the buck stops at the top. Like I said earlier, this season didn't have to be a wash if the FO went out and replaced the OC, LG and RG properly. Found a better veteran QB to start the season. There is always a way to find money to bring in quality talent. They should have replaced the line coach with someone that knows what they are doing. Hired a better OC with a better record along with someone that has mentored rookie QBs. Same with the QB coach. Ya know what? There is still time to fix some things as this team enters the bye week and it could determine what happens at the end of the season to this regime. Fire Daboll during the bye week or simply demote him and promote the WR coach Terry Robiskie to OC. Let him see if he can fix the run game and help the QBs make some plays, get the team scoring TDs. This year was no rebuild, as that is just an excuse some fans are throwing out there to defend this regime. This coaching staff simply has no idea what they are doing on offense and I only hope to god that these owners don't retain these morons. I don't think I can take another season of Daboll, Castillo and perhaps watching that rookie QB get ruined by a bunch of incompetent morons. On another note, Peterman has a QBR of 6.5...

I hate to agree with you on this but at this point it looks like the only solution. Replace him with DC Leslie Frazier. Fire the OC and replace him with the WR coach Robiskie. Still no discipline on this team with this past week 10 penalties for 163 yards. This year 70 penalties for 642 yards and most of those by the offense. The drive killing stupidity that surrounds this years team.

Yes, we do know how bad this HC/GM and offensive staff are because they went into this season with this mess. Would you have allowed Josh Allen to start behind this mess of an offensive line? I know I wouldn't and just judging from last season I wouldn't have gone into this year thinking that Peterman would be the starter. The receiver corps is also a joke. Most Bills fans were complaining all offseason and the current FO did very little to correctly upgrade the QB, line, WR issues. Keeping McD is just prolonging the inevitable as we look at this season on offense and its really bad and it's not going to get any better. Out of 9 games Ravens, Packers, Colts, Patriots, Bears were all blowouts. So more then half and its not going to get any better from my view. So many player personnel mistakes by this regime and I've learned over the past twenty years that things usually get worse. All the penalties that are still happening each week 10 for 163 yards...are you kidding me? The bigger point is that what made the two teams that you mentioned so successful was that they fired the defensive minded HC and replaced them with a pair of the brightest offensive minds they could find. Usually first time, first year head coaches don't fare that well in the NFL and yet Sean McVay 11-5 after a 4-12 season by Jeff Fisher. The Bears who finished last season 5-11 under John Fox have already equaled that total at 5-3 under new HC Matt Nagy an Andy Reid disciple. If I'm Terry Pegula I'd be looking at the next best and brightest offensive mind to hire as HC before this coaching staff has another season to ruin that rookie QB we both like so much. The defense will be fine with Leslie Frazier as DC so the continuity of the defense should stay the same. Shame too because I happen to like McD. I just think he has no clue with the offensive side of the ball.

The thing is that both the Bears, Rams fired their defensive minded coaches and hired new offensive minded coaches to help develop those rookie QBs. John Fox, Jeff Fisher. Both those rookie offensive coaches hired good defensive coordinators to maintain a good defense. Vic Fangio, Wade Phillips. Chicago's defense (currently at #10) is way better then their offense right now. The Rams are #1 in yards, #3 in points on offense and top ten on defense. The point here is that this Buffalo Bills HC and offensive coaching staff are clueless and no amount of talent influx is going to turn them into the Rams offense or even allow Josh Allen to develop properly. Look how badly they screwed up this season and it didn't need to be a losing season or anywhere near this bad. Incompetence got the Bills to this point.

This is exactly right! Where is the good coaching on the Buffalo Bills coaching staff? Building an offense takes good coaching and looking at the decisions made by this team nobody on the offensive side looks to be competent enough to do that. Who told the HC that Peterman would be a solid a starter for the season while the rookie watches? What on gods green earth is Josh Allen going to learn from Peterman...except on what no to do? Penalties have plagued the team all year and the Bears game was no different with 10-163 yards. 2018, 70 penalties for 642 yards. 39 on offense, 19 on defense, 12 on special teams. Who told the HC that the offensive line would be okay with the current players on the roster before the season started? Because they are not even close to okay and steps should have been made to upgrade that line especially going into a season with an inexperienced QB in Peterman and more importantly, a rookie in Josh Allen. This is thorough incompetence at its best. The GM and HC should have known better and even though Beane is a rookie GM he doesn't get a pass for this offensive mess. How is this any different from what Whaley did to EJ? Brining in a QB coach who has previously never been a QB coach is just about as bad as not hiring one at all. No veteran QB on the roster until almost halfway through the season. Hiring an offensive coordinator who has been in the NFL for 5 years on four teams and never fielded an offense better then 23rd of of 32. Rick Dennison was a better choice as at least he didn't completely kill that #1 Bills running game and at least that 2017 offense scored 28 TDs. In 9 games so far the 2018 Buffalo Bills have only 7 TDs and 5 of those are by Josh Allen, 2 passing, 3 rushing. What does that tell you about this years offense? Bottom line is I don't trust this regime to build top offense or develop that rookie QB and like the Bears and Rams they need to fire this HC and bring an really good offensive mind to fix this offensive mess. Shame, because I like McD. He has just made some serious mistakes that you mostly don't survive.

Why tank when you just drafted the franchise QB and the 2019 draft looks to be very deep with defensive talent. What's the point? The OP has deluded himself into thinking that this was a tank season on purpose. He wants others to believe that this FO planned this season out to be 2-7 after 9 games or finish the season 2-14 / 4-12. He thinks this regime will still be employed after that kind of fail. Yet, these owners fired the guy they loved at 7-8 season before the final game. These men planned nothing of the sort and it was simply a complete screw up in many ways with the thinking that Nathanial Peterman would be a viable starter. That the offensive line would be just fine after losing Eric Wood and Richie Incognito mostly because Groy did okay in replacing Wood for a bit and Richie looked to have lost a step. They thought that the receiver corps would be okay in getting separation, getting open and catching the ball. They also thought that the ex Patriots assistant coach would make a great OC. That a WR coach who had never been a QB coach would make a fine QB coach. It's crystal clear to me that is GM and head coach have no clue what's happening with the offense. It would not surprise me at all to see McD fired at some point during the season along with changes to the offensive coaching staff. Going to be interesting to hear what these owners think of what's been going on with their team.

I highly doubt there was any intention of a tear down at any point. I just think that this FO/coaching staff didn't realize the consequences of losing a pro bowl LG and a pro bowl center at the same time. I wonder if they now realize how important a pro bowler at LG, C to have a quality functioning line and it would be even better with upgrades at RG, RT too. My take is McD put way to much trust in his offensive assistants in believing them when they said they would be okay with the talent on hand at QB (Peterman) and O line Groy, Bodine, Ducasse, Mills, Miller. As it turns out the scrub that Dion Dawkins was drafted to replace is one of the better players on that line. (low bar) If the Pegula's replaced Rex Ryan at the end of a 7-8 season I have no doubts that they won't hesitate to make changes this season too. McD might be on a very short leash at this point and I hope for his sake he makes changes to his offensive coaching staff. No TDs in 50 drives is ridiculous.

It makes no sense to tank a season unless you are looking to draft that franchise QB and the Bills drafted theirs in 2018. What's the point? I don't think this FO intended to tank as it just went that way due to a bad QB, O line, WR situation. This FO/HC and coaching staff must pay the consequences. 2-14 is looking realistic at this point.

Saban worked for Belichick when he was the HC in Cleveland and they are very close friends. Stating that, Belichick looks to be very loyal to the coaches he knows so it wouldn't surprise me to find out that old Bill put in a good word for his assistant coach (Def, WR, TE in NE) to give him another chance at being an OC. Perhaps because he knows that Josh McDaniel's might not stay in NE forever. What is surprising to me is why McD would hire an assistant coach from the Patriots. As, like I said that loyalty to NE runs deep and the only assistant coach I would hire is one that literally hates the Patriots... Like I do. Chuck Pagano recently stated he wants back in the NFL to beat the hated Patriots! Now that's my kind of coach and there has to be lots more out there! I personally wouldn't hire Pagano nor Rex Ryan either. Just saying that there are lots of coaches out there that hate the Patriots as much as I do and those are the coaches along with great talent I'd look to hire. https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2018/10/27/chuck-pagano-hopes-to-coach-next-year-beat-the-hated-patriots/