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No. And they won't be until June 1st. June 1st savings don't apply to a team's cap until June 1st.

Personally, I'd be very happy if this were the only thing people got wrong this time of year. You left out Brings something to the table, and Still has something in the tank.

That's technically true. But the alternative was to leave that $8+ million as salary. And if he still didn't produce he would have gotten the money even if he didn't get a single sack. Perspective.

Thanks. I get all that. I was simply responding to the poster that wanted to know who gets to decide if the incentives are LTBE or NLTBE. The CBA clearly establishes which is which. There is no subjectivity to it as the poster suggested.

It's all spelled out in the CBA. Everything fits into a category one way or another so there's nobody subjectively saying, well he'll probably get 2 sacks so we'll make LTBE. Generally (but certainly not always) if a player didn't get the stat the year before then its considered NLTBE. In this case, since he got zero sacks last year all sack incentives are NLTBE. Actually, according to the rules spelled out in the CBA, those are all NLTBE incentives. Meaning, none of those incentives will count against the salary cap this year. And any of them that are reached will be charged against next year's cap.

It means they added 3 void years to his contract, then converted a bunch of his 2024 salary to signing bonus that can be prorated over those 4 years. Thus making our 2024 cap charge smaller by charging the rest of it to next year's cap when the void years kick in. It's not really an extension as Douglas still winds up with the same amount of money this year and his contract ends after this year. It's just a different way of saying restructure, I guess. Note: Nothing says in the future they can't still come to an agreement on an extension and simply change some or all of the void years to regular years. Either way it saves us cap space this year.

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Yeah, but because the rules say no more than 4 picks are actually awarded they only get the 3rd and 3 5ths.

Yes. As long as the void was automatic and not a team or player option. And as long as the contract wasn't renegotiated to move the void to a sooner date, then he does count toward the formula.

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There is no shedding his cap hit by trading. They extended his contract last year in order to reduce huis cap hit last year. You know how that works? By taking money paid to him last year and prorating it over future years. Trading accelerates all that prorated cap to this year. In other words, keeping him costs us $12.4 million against the cap. Trading him costs us $25.2 million against the cap. Trading him would result in us losing $12.5 million in cap space, plus we wouldn't have him on the team anymore, so his replacement on the roster would cost us that much more. Next.

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Incorrect. The $3 million is money the player was already paid in a previous year, it just hasn't been charged to the team's cap yet. It was considered bonus money so the original team was able to pay him up front but prorate the cap charge for that bonus money into later years. When the years are voided the team is still charged the cap amount even though the player has already received the money. To put it another way, the team still owes the cap $3 million because in a previous year the player actually made $10 but the team was able to only have $7 million charged against the cap in that year. So now, even though the player is gone, or even if he's not, the team still has to have the $3 million charged to their cap. But the player has already been paid the money previously. That's why it's called dead cap. Not because they still owe the player who is gone, but because they already paid the player who is gone but haven't had that money charged to their cap yet. So no. If the player signs with the team for $7 million he only gets $7 million while the team's cap charge is $10 million - $7 million for the new contract and $3 million in "dead cap" for the previous bonus. If he signs with a new team for $10 million he gets $10 million from the new team. The old team still has the $3 million dead cap charge.

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NOTE: This is a very long-winded version of what Barley said above. Well the concept is nothing new. The first voidable year appeared back in the early 1990s. Though it wasn't widely used as it is now. And for a number of years it was used as a way for teams to get around the original rookie cap - which had the right idea but failed due to the use of voidable years. They have since figured that out. Since then teams with tight cap space have used them. But that was never us, so we never saw much of it. Lately a lot of teams have been using void years since the cap they were expecting to explode starting in 2021 went down instead of up due to COVID and they got a little behind. It is the ultimate example of kicking the can down the road by using future cap dollars in the present year. One thing it's important to remember - once a bonus in a contract has been paid and then prorated for cap purposes, there are only two things that can happen to it. It either stays prorated to the years it was originally assigned, or if the player is cut, traded, or his contract voids, the remaining prorated amounts are accelerated, and all charged to the cap in the current year. NOTE: Technically if a player is suspended or incarcerated or is otherwise unable to fulfil his contract (like a surprise early retirement soon after signing a new contract with a big bonus), the team can get salary cap reimbursement for certain portions of a player's prorated cap. But it requires grievances, hearings, judgements etc. and is never recovered until the following season at the soonest. Outside of those extreme circumstances, nothing else can be done to remove prorated or dead cap. Let's start with the Floyd example. It's not that the team is already paying him $4+ mil for the year and could get him for the same $10 mil deal by only adding $6 mil. The $4+ mil is money being charged against the current cap that's already been paid in previous years. Since the cap charge for a signing bonus is spread out over the length of a contract (up to 5 years), a team can give a player a lot of money in year one of the contract, make a lot of it a signing bonus, and spread that bonus' cap charge out over more years - giving the player more money in year one while delaying the cap charge for the team to future years. But once a player is cut, or his contract voids (even if it's on purpose), any prorated salary cap charges for those years are accelerated to the current year and appear as dead cap. So any new contract for Floyd still has to account for that $4+ million one way or another because it's already been paid - in addition to the terms of a new deal. I like using round numbers so this example will be what happened in Floyd's case only with easier to look at figures. Let's say we want to sign a player named Smith to a 1-year contract for $6 million but we only have enough cap space in our current year for $3 million. So we give Smith a contract that pays him $2 million salary this year, with a $4 million signing bonus. Now if we only had a 1-year contract the whole $6 million would be charged against our cap in this season whether it was salary or bonus - not in our budget. If we made it a 2-year contract, then the cap charge for the $4 million signing bonus would be spread out over those as $2 million this year and $2 million next year - even though Smith gets all of it in year one. That would make our cap charge $4 million this year. And next year the cap charge would be whatever the salary is plus the remaining $2 million prorated cap charge for the bonus. Or, if Smith really wants to only sign for 1 year, we can still make the contract for 2 years - letting us spread the bonus out over this year and next, but also put in a trigger clause that voids the second contract year. This gives Smith all of his agreed to $6 million in the first season, while letting the team charge it as $4 million the first year and another $2 million in the following year. But since Smith won't be here in the second year, the $2 million is considered dead cap. It's money already paid Smith in year 1 being charged against our cap in year 2, even though Smith is no longer under contract with us. But let's go a little further. We stated for our example we only had $3 million in available cap space to sign Smith. So in order to get his cap charge lower, we have to add more void years so we can technically spread the prorated bonus charge out further and make the first year hit smaller. So now we give Smith the same $6 million in the form of $2 million in salary and $4 million in signing bonus, but we make it a 4-year contract with the final 3 years voiding. This allows us to still give Smith $6 million in this season, but then spread the remaining $4 million SB prorated cap charge over the 4 years of the total contract. Meaning the cap charge for this year would be the $2 million salary plus only $1 million in prorated cap charge. This would lower Smith's cap charge to $3 million this season while creating a $3 million dead cap charge next year when those remaining years void. So Smith's contract looks like this (salary in green, prorated signing bonus in red) - 1st year - $2,000,000 + $1,000,000 = $3,000,000 cap charge (but actually paid all $6,000,000) 2nd year (void) - $1,000,000 3rd year (void) - $1,000,000 4th year (void) - $1,000,000 While the contract for year 1 is in effect, the remaining years haven't technically voided yet. So the cap charge for year 1 stays at $3 million. Once the first season is over and the trigger kicks in, the remaining years void, and the remaining prorated cap charges are accelerated to year 2 as $3 million in dead cap. So for the record, Floyd's contract was structured as above, except his numbers were 1st year salary of $1,165,500 with a SB of $5,835,000. This allowed us to pay him $7 million in 2023 with a cap charge of only $2,623,750 - and creating the $4,376,250 dead cap hit we now enjoy in 2024. Now where some people get confused is when they look at Spotrac and see (we'll jump back to Smith's contract again) an upcoming dead cap of $3 million for 2024. Then sometimes the player signs a new deal with the same team before the void triggered, and it looks like that dead cap charge disappeared. It didn't disappear, it's just that the new contract was reached before the voids kicked in. Meaning the $3 million is still part of the new contract, it's just still being prorated over the remaining years like it always was. So say before the void trigger hit, we agreed to a new contract to keep Smith around for another year. He's getting older and agrees to play for $5.5 million this time. So we take the original contract and update the 2nd year to give Smith a $1.5 million salary, add another void year at the end, and do it all over again with the contract now voiding after year 2. Only now, since the new contract was reached before the voids triggered, the original prorated cap charges stay where they were, and the new prorated charges (blue) are spread out over the remaining voidable years including the new one - 1st year - $2,000,000 + $1,000,000 = $3,000,000 cap charge (but actually paid all $6,000,000) Made a new deal for 2nd year, added 5th year (void), and delayed voids until after year 2. 2nd year - $1,500,000 + $1,000,000 + $1,000,000 = $3,500,000 cap charge (but actually paying all $5,500,000) 3rd year (void) --------- $1,000,000 + $1,000,000 4th year (void) --------- $1,000,000 + $1,000,000 5th year (void) ------------------------ $1,000,000 Now a person might look at this and think, oh they gave him an extension for $5.5 million and the original $3 million dead cap figure for year 2 has disappeared. But as you can see, the $3 million is still there and still being charged against the cap as it always was - prorated bonus. The contract never voided so the prorated numbers stay in place. Only now the can has been kicked farther, and when the contract voids after year 2 there will be a $5 million dead cap charge in year 3. So to your point about matching a $10 million deal for Floyd because it would only cost us $6 million. that's not the case. The $4+ million cap charge would still be there. If we signed him now (after the void) it would cost us the $10 million plus the $4+ million in dead cap. And even if we did it before the void kicked in it would cost us the same $10 million plus the original $1,458,750 prorated charge for year 2024, with the final 2 years ($2,917,500) still showing up as dead cap in 2025. No matter how you slice it, we kicked the can and the remaining $4+ million of Floyd's original contract has to be charged against our cap - either as dead cap like it is, or in addition to any new deal we could have given him. It doesn't go away and it can't be gotten rid of. Make no mistake, using multiple void years is can-kicking to the extreme. We can, of course, sign player Smith to a longer deal any time we want. We would simply remove the void trigger and replace the void years with regular contract terms. But any such deal would still have the above prorated numbers attached in addition to whatever the new deal is for. Peace.

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Okay. But there are numerous posters all over who say they can't cut him while he's injured like it's not possible to do so. And they are wrong. I may have been thrown off by your first sentence that begins . . . "They can't cut him until he passes a medical. . . " So I was pointing out, yes, they can. Glad you understand it. Many here do not.

Actually they can. They can't cut an injured player during the season he's injured. But if he still can't play by the next season he can be cut. But it's not a free and clear cut like most people think. The CBA contains an injury protection clause, and if Tre has no other, higher injury guarantee in his contract (and according to OTC and Spotrac he doesn't), the Bills would still have to give him $2.05 million, of which $1.23 million would be considered salary. This would reduce the often-quoted cap savings of $6.07 million down to $4.84 million. Less than most people think, but it can be done. I'm not saying they should or shouldn't. And the injury guaranteed amount isn't a whole lot different than his $1.5 mil roster bonus. Just pointing out they can let him go before the season if they choose to.

You can always sign a player to a new deal (well, mostly always). But you can never get rid of prorated bonus or dead cap. As others have mentioned, prorated bonuses are money already paid to the player. They have to be charghed to the cap at some point. And there are really only two choices. It stays prorated in the years it's supposed to, or the player gets cut, traded, etc. and is no longer on the team. At that point the prorated cap is accelerated and becomes dead cap. The only exception to this is if a player gets suspended or incarcerated, or simply refuses to play or pulls a sudden retirement soon after signing a new deal. In such cases a linear amount of prorated cap can be refunded/credited to a team. But even then, it usually doesn't happen until the following year if at all.

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