Steve Billieve

While there's no doubt that Allen is more talented I don't think their rookie seasons are that different. They both got thrown into the starting job because of injury/mismanagement/rubber mats and performed poorly. They then performed a lot better but not quite good enough leaving fans thinking the best is yet to come.

I remember reading all about how EJ looked more confident. I also read that he got smarter and stronger too.

Nothing like a refresher of the greatest moments of last years off-season.

I don't care about fidget spinners. I mean what's the point?

Weird not seeing Tre, and Milano period. Would probably put both ahead of Dawkins. Even Edmunds seems like a bit of an unknown. I don't know how you put him down as a better value than Poyer at this point.

I really thought we gave someone else that number either last year or the year before and they didn't make the final roster.

Changing the onside kick rules doesn't have to be an improvement on anything, it can just be a restoration or mitigation of some more recent rule changes. It's not like its a common play, why not just allow the selection of an onside kick like they do with extra points/two point conversions. I believe the only reason they changed the onside kicks rules was because of injury risk, but if its a play that hardly ever happens . . .

Wait! this is a Shaq Lawson thread?

I don't think anyone got a pass, including the coach. Seemed like they brought in almost every free agent lineman they could. Dawkins keeping his starting job is no sure thing.

Never been, so I have no idea what the stadium is like, but 300 mil from the government on a renovation feels a little shortsighted. 15 extra years of usability does not feel very long.

I'm really hoping Duke Williams will be special.

I'll wait till I see them play first.

No

I only pick day 1 starters with 6th round picks.

I guess it all depends on where you think EJ would have realistically gotten taken if not for us. If that's the second then maybe, but if it's the third you're just screwing yourself twice, and if its the 4th . . . then the description might offend my delicate sensibilities. IIRC the compensation made it seem like we initiated the trade.

There's a lot of quarterbacks we didn't draft, and its hard to believe EJ didn't play a role in that.

For me its gotta be EJ. You never know what's going to happen, but you know when you overreach.

The only correlation wonderlic has to NFL success is for cbs and its negative.

I guess Miami is so bad this year that they give you two wins when you beat them.

I wonder how much a list like this might be influenced by a lack of consensus over the best players at positions that are the "most safe".

Just going full on gramando huh?

I believe you but I thought he performed better than expected after year 1, if someone wanted to trade for him at that point I would think it would cost more than a first.

Which is why we got him for a third. Things could have gone differently, they didn't. There was a point in KBs career he probably could have brought in two firsts or at least a 1st and 2nd.

I'm sure if I look back you'll be on record with that opinion at the time.

General consensus was that it was a great pickup at the time. Even if it wasn't how bad of a trade was it? At the time we had a serious issue at WR and a starting QB (Peterman) who would have excelled with accurate balls to a big target. What would a fair price be? Are you saying Beene shouldn't have been looking? If people are seriously criticizing this trade it can only be because it happened to not work out or they have some ax to grind.