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He honestly reminds me of Josh a lot. Doesn't have a ton of reps, but has very good traits. If he turns out like Josh is still very unclear.

Pretty interesting, but doesnt it show how good Roberts was? They concluded Jets and Bills were getting the most out of our units.

To be fair he cut his drop % in half last year, and its pretty well documented how he worked on it this year. As mentioned by the media in a couple places he has been catching well this TC. It is something that everyone is gonna harp about when it happens too (similar to how we would have to see repeats of Josh's rough throws even in good games last year).

Not sure if I missed it the first time but the at least equal was where I'm at. That means they are pretty good at a lot of other position groups (cause I think were pretty good). I also agree they will be tougher for us this year (even said in this thread I wouldnt be surprised if they take a game from us this year) simply because of how good they are against the pass and their strength of running is our weakness. I don't know how much of their offseason improvement will translate to their record though as I see the Jets providing much more trouble for them (whereas we should scorch their awful secondary). I appreciate you were trying to pop some bubbles of folks laughing at the Pats. I am still getting some schadenfraude out of similar their offseason talking points have been to our talking points of the past 2 decades. So while I think they will be better this year (and again Im a bit skeptical it will translate to their record), I think it may be a rough couple years for them.

I am coming around to McKenzie being return guy. Mostly cause of the improvements hes shown as a receiver. If hes committed to returns in that way then I think he may have learned a lot from Roberts last 2 years.

Again appreciate the discussion. I think I can stay objective after having watched our performance. If anything its the Pats performance I would lack perspective on. I think it boils down to imo the Pats seems to be getting a lot of projection this year. #2 OL is pretty great example of this. They are essentially saying Trent Brown > Joe Thuney right? Unless, (and the data probably does say this) they thought they were the #1 OL last year (that would be laughable). I do feel its pretty objective to say we are better at off ball LB and the secondaries are very similar (thats not even talking about Gilmore). DL is probably the spot with the most variance for each team (I think you would agree with this). Even if I concede OL, this is pretty far off from "they are better at every other positional group." I dont know what FO is doing but they strongly think we had the better line last year https://www.footballoutsiders.com/stats/nfl/basic-offensive-defensive-line-stats/2020/offense

Thanks. I had listened to a Joe Marino podcast that went position group by position group for the whole division, and he made points i agreed with. I dont think anyone in the east has a good RB group. Looking more I might give their OL a slight edge for interior play but Tackle is a wash and I think we are better at C. I dont understand off ball LB being better where we have Milano and Edmunds. They have Hightower and JAG. I found those defensive rankings pretty laughable. We were 12th in DVOA last year with a fair number of injuries to our core LBs. I think we return to top 10 pretty easily.

Better at every position? There are a lot of draws to me. OL, RB, DL, and Secondary would be draws for me. I would give us the advantage at off ball LB. Obviously they are better at TE as their room is pushing for best in the league. Maybe they have the advantage at DL if youre bullish on Van Noy and Judon but I'm liking what I'm hearing about our dudes.

It’s schafenfraude for us. Really who’s trolling who?

You literally said point me to where I have debated the QBs. You don’t seem to agree with the OP. So I chuckled at that.

I also found the response about not debating QBs in this thread funny.

we were 12th in DVOA for the year, and we were clearly trending up at the end of the year. does that make you feel better?

Dare I say we have the 2 best QBs in the division?🤣

Expectations last year were pretty high (not as high as this year admittedly), and they responded really well to being the favorites to win the division. I feel good they can rise to the challenge again.

I see yeah I guess I’m wrong. But that is super atypical I have to imagine.

Wasn’t necessarily trying to do that, but yes in the 70s the QB was less critical. I did want to pop this terry bradshaw is a great QB balloon. He wasn’t really and he shouldn’t be commenting anymore (see his comments on josh).

Just to clarify if Fromm is on the PS we can’t counter if he gets an offer. But I agree he or Webb is safe on the PS

No reason for Webb to move to QB coach if he can stick around. The league is a sucker but to put fromm on an active roster seems like a stretch.

If you think being on the PS is being retained then yes. But no thank you with him on the 53. Good thing is I don’t think anyone would claim him and he would make the PS. I also think almost any draft pick we got for him would be a good replacement next year.

Not sure it was intentional as Mitch ducked, but I guess I wouldnt be shocked if it was. Noting that it was to his left is a good observation!

You can't teach accuracy!!!

Love that he hits it with Mitch walking in front of him at the last moment!

Thanks for explaining. I see and agree with many of your points. I think coaching was also the biggest issue in that game. I will rewatch the game with focus on Levi, but I do remember LB and Nickel having a few rough plays. I also can appreciate the point about shading help (usually Hyde) to him more (Joe M mentioned as well). I just land in a different place relative to priorities, but I do understand your logic. At this point itll just play out. Thanks again for talking through it.

The point on man is he is not a liability. You are arguing he is a liability in man right? on the slow and weak i did make a bit of a jump that would cause poor tackling. his length def helps him in tackling. I guess the question is what priority is this? you have said you think DL is higher priority. what about nickel corner? with limited resources you have to prioritize. I put this upgrading levi down the list. do i want an upgrade (yes would like an upgrade everywhere), but how much does it cost relative to what we get.

strongly recommend you listen to that pod. McD has had elite defense here with Wallace. I think LB injuries had more to do with last year than CB2 performance. Hell nickel corner was more of a problem to me than CB3 (though taron did start playing alot better with the rest of the defense in the 2nd half of the season).