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So the happy coincidence of the 4th down play is you have so many shallow crossers (no deep routes that I recall) that all the front line defenders are occupied so they cant account for Josh. It was also mentioned a few years ago for Mahomes and Josh that getting out of the pocket and the threat of the run really strains the zones because now they have to move up and sorta get out of position. Thats the fun push/pull as thats when the coverage really needs to shift to man but is hard for a defense to move as a unit.

Would be great cause then the man beater will work. You often don't run spys with zone unless youre doing something upfront crazy (see below). Spy could get to him as others mentioned, but I think Spags didnt think as spy was necessary as they looked to be in Cover 2 with a lot of eyes on the QB. This was def something we were doing back as far back as 2022 on the taron johnson game winning interception. If you recall on that play miller gets pressure and Mahomes rolls out to his right and Milano comes down to rush the play. That was a rush 3 with a spy play. Specifically not a contain rush like the rest of the game. Knowing they will pass you go all out to force him out of the pocket to your spy who forces the quick decision on the run. Challenge is this needs to be obvious passing downs.

Agree. Annual reminder that McD and Josh have an insane record in Dec. I have no fears they will come out ready after 2020 when our backups came in during the first half and we hung 50 on a dolphins team that was win and in.

Was more of a joke that came off a bit snarky. No sweat. Is aubrey a better kicker than Bass? I think yes. But I dont think difference is large (and certain) enough to justify a 4th round. If you could guarantee aubrey's overall numbers continue to Buffalo, it makes it much more favorable.

Now explain XP % indoor and outdoor? Point is that it’s not as simple as what he’s doing in Dallas would immediately translate to us.

Career splits on PFR. Indoor/outdoor at bottom. Bass is having his worst XP year (one block in there). https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/A/AubrBr00/splits/

Fair. Wilson was a bit less of a slam dunk iirc. But sauce def was (I was very annoyed with the stingley pick). AVT has been good for them as well.

Pretty happy about this. He had lots of ammo in 2022 but he found DROY, OROY, and Breece Hall. He can evaluate talent to some degree.

People gotta look at the outdoor splits (i know one is a block) but hes worse than T bass outdoors on XP. its not 100% translatable (this is before we get into questions around the whole operation, LS and holder).

I was looking at FG only. Yes Bass has more PAT misses. Again for aubrey indoors. He was a UDFA. If you trust your ability to scout well enough to invest a 4th, why not just get one in the draft. If you dont trust your ability to scout, why do you think an indoor kicker in the NFL can do it outdoors? Theres too many unknowns to be sure. Heres the cake for me. Cause Aubrey is doing great things, but in favorable conditions. He hes 86% for FG. Hes 82.5% outdoors which is the same as bass outdoors (82.5%). Its not worth a 4th yall

I get it. and there is def value to an elite kicker. but i dont think its worth the cost and potential unknown when we have potentially have a good one already. If we dont have Davis then we are gonna give carries to Evans or Gore Jr? Nah I think we get a few more first downs (and thus points) from having Davis. appreciate you talking through it though.

But the question is what would you give up for it and its crazy to me to think Aubrey is worth a 4th round. Particularly when he has as many misses as Bass and he plays in a dome! Getting the best kicker has some value but its a tricky game cause their play can be very streaky. Agree the line has moved back but Bass has the leg for it too so its not like it moves the line back much (again Aubrey is kicking those in great conditions). Aubrey has played 3 games outdoors and he has 2 misses in those games. I aint paying a 4th for that.

Game script matters. Giving up a TD on the first play really hurt. With that in mind we started working back (3 first downs on the drive) before the trick play. At that point it was just hard to stop them when they can pound the rock or abuse our 2nd level back ups with short passes.

Please hold things back and lose an extra game. would love that for us.

I def think he has a role going forward, and its the dime package. Particularly against Lamar and Mahomes in obvious passing downs i would take a DL off (leave Groot, Von, Oliver and let them go crazy) and let Milano spy. Then Lewis can play coverage in Dime. They did this against Chiefs but sub Milano for Dorian and Im pretty pumped.