drnykterstein

You two are crazy. Anyways, I see this as related to this topic (getting the wealthy to stop controlling our elections) http://www.reuters.com/article/idUSTRE66P5...t=Google+Reader Also a nifty graph: http://i.imgur.com/SJbOq.png

Just because you don't understand it, does not mean others suffer from the same dilemma. You certainly seem to be saying that making money available for small businesses to borrow does not help them. I would concur strongly that you do not understand. The GOP is not anti business. The GOP is Pro-GOP. They have demonstrated they are perfectly willing to sabotage the economy so that uneducated idiots will think Obama is the problem. The uneducated idiots then proceed to create threads like this one and try to spread their false propaganda.

Keep on dodging the point.

So we completely fail to take into account the plethora of times Obama has tried to lower taxes on small businesses and Republicans have blocked him? Hating Obama is no excuse for being ignorant about what he's tried to do.

Does the title of this thread say "Obama: raising taxes on small businesses" or does it not?

Yes it does. You've (or this thread has) been saying "Obama wants to raise taxes on small businesses". I've completely disproved that.

Call em what you want. They both supported Obama and still do.

Ok. Krugman goes into detail (warning: it's far over your head and you will feel dumb and call Krugman names)

That is not their agenda. Where the hell do you get these ideas from? You've been drinking too much of Limbaughs cum. Liberal Agenda: - Equality for gays - Social safety nets for the unlucky and unfortunate poor - Don't torture people, don't fight unnecessary wars - Environmental protection - Individual freedoms (net neutrality, pro-choice, no spying, etc) - Regulate overreaching corporations so they don't drown out the individual voter Uhm.. the "other guys" are batshit insane. Gingrich, Limbaugh, Palin, Hannity, Beck, Boehner, Rove do enough on their own to make America hate them. They don't need any help from any liberals to put their stupidity on display.

You have completely missed the point of my post. The left far and wide already can't stand the wealthy and has a healthy distrust of them (do you argue?). It's the moron right wing that seems to be blind to super rich that control their lives. It's right wingers that created this stupid thread, it's crazy right wingers that said in this thread they wanted a flat tax, it's right wingers that passed Bush's tax cuts for the wealthy. The right is extremely blind to who is controlling their life. I only offered one explanation for this. The left already can't stand the rich, I doubt they need any prodding from me. But hey if you want to see how wealthy liberals handle their money... http://money.cnn.com/2010/06/15/news/newsm...rtune/index.htm http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1000142405...p_sections_news

It's also fake news. Grover Norquist loves his propaganda, you tards loves to drink it down without even stopping to question it. http://www.taxfoundation.org/publications/show/26320.html, http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/pr...t-for-companie/ http://www.marketwatch.com/story/obama-urg...eaks-2010-07-17

Uhm yeah. I'll bite. Name (1) what their agenda is, and (2) a few of the tactics they purportedly use that I supposedly fall for. I suppose it's entirely impossible that the right wing of this country is just a bunch of rambling retards and I absolutely refuse to let a group of rambling retards run this country unchallenged. Disgust at the crazy right wing (Palin, Beck, Hannity, Limbaugh, Gingrich, Rove and their zombie followers) is far more of a motivator than any of the underwhelming things the left has done to try to fix this country.

trick people into thinking the liberals are the bad guys and are out to get them, and they'll support anything.

You know, it's tough I didn't think it was "make a new thread calling out MSNBC" worthy. For comparison Fox news has done some weird, and really wrong charts also. But I think all of those above and also Maddows graph just pale in comparison to an obvious and underhanded lie such as this thing that they've done repeatedly. http://crooksandliars.com/logan-murphy/sho...ls-disgraced-re What I mean to say is: They both suck ass, and they both care far more about ratings than they do truth and accuracy of information.

http://www.thenation.com/article/37889/no-oligarchy

Yeah it's hard, they are just stupid little misleading things that make you go "WTF, why did they do that?" Example: Check out this bar graph from Maddow - http://imgur.com/2HJcB.png 994 Billion is about 1/3 of 2.8 Trillion. But if you just were to look at the graph itself and not the numbers, you would think much differently. It's stupid, I don't know why they felt the need to make such a stupid graph.

Yeah, I just don't like those people around here who hear the term socialism and assume it involves an evil dictator. It's just an economic theory/system. It does not determine who gets elected or how they get elected.

My bad, that was before I followed politics. That reference (obviously) did not ring a bell. Anyways what is up with this line in the wikipedia article

Hearing aids. He means hearing aids.

Sure MSNBC is pretty bad also. I don't trust them very much either. Once in a while Maddow has a home-run segment or something. But I've long ago stopped trusting that station to be regularly accurate. That "I hope he fails" thing by Limbaugh is the least inciting thing that guy has ever said. He's not even a political commentator he's just a side show entertainer. Come on he's gone on record for saying the President is not a United States citizen. That's just funny. Joe Wilsons "you lie" statement was a lie. Check your facts. Goodness, I'm sorry I can't spend my life debunking every crazy thing you think. Suffice to say, you suck at doing your own research.

I respond to you with past threads I've made http://forums.twobillsdrive.com/index.php?showtopic=113893 http://forums.twobillsdrive.com/index.php?showtopic=110933 http://forums.twobillsdrive.com/index.php?showtopic=103823 http://forums.twobillsdrive.com/index.php?showtopic=73283 This is still my favorite FN lie of all time.. http://www.thedailyshow.com/watch/tue-nove...protest-footage http://tpmlivewire.talkingpointsmemo.com/2...tys-apology.php (edit: sorry those videos don't work, I'll try to find working ones later)

I just read this thread. I kind of like it. Especially I like 3rdnlng acknowledging my message that this forum is full of morons. And regarding ExiledInIllinois point, he's right I do not like seeing my name in Off the Wall or TSW as I have several times (*cough* /dev/null). I think that kind of thing should be kept in PPP and we can be polite elsewhere. Anyways, I just came here to post this link in response to the original post. Proving that, you know, KD in CT is a moron. http://www.factcheck.org/2009/07/brown-bailout-hardly/

How is criticizing Palin a left-wing liberal thing? Mocking and criticizing Palin is an "I'm human and I have a brain" thing. It means you are American and love your country and don't want to see a dunce in charge of it. It's the exact same thing with "hatred of Fox News and Rush Limbaugh". Hating those things means you have a brain and can think for yourself. There is nothing in hating Fox News and Limbaugh that makes you a leftist or liberal or anything of the sort. Those organizations lie to the American people on a regular basis. I'm sorry if I hate being lied to. .. but hey.. if you are are Republican.. you put your party over your country. Republicans first, Americans second.

So you are prejudiced against yourself. I see.

Sure looks like you are defending him to me.