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You are right. A great QB can not make a WR outrun the DB on a fly pattern. He can not pass the ball to a WR who doesn't get open. When two o-linemen wiff on a block, he doesn't unfurl his pixy wings and rise into the air. The fish just gave Tanneyhill a big contract. I doubt they are going QB or trading up to get one of the top two. They might take someone in the 1st that drops down to them. http://www.miamiherald.com/sports/spt-columns-blogs/armando-salguero/article208018169.html http://www.sun-sentinel.com/sports/miami-dolphins/fl-sp-dolphins-qb-first-round-20180303-story.html

...but the paved highway costs a lot of draft picks- and you can't spend the draft on the vehicle AND the road at the same time. Actually I like the analogy better with coaches( map), QB (vehicle) and team (the rest of the team).

I'm not sure about OJ. In that era, running backs ran the ball. OJ could not catch a football to save his life and had hands of stone. That would make him very limited in today's NFL. The team was based upon the Electric Company/OJ and a few chucks far downfield to the WR. By the way, they had a way superior offensive line for him. Foley................1st round pick McKenzie....... 2nd round pick Montler............2nd round pick DeLaminlieur...1st round pick Green................5th round pick Seymour.............1st round pick. He played TE & OT at Mich. and I think was originally drafter as an OT. He really had a lot of horsepower in front of him. If he began his career with a poor OL, I wonder if he would have flamed out. In his early years he was criticized for dancing behind the line looking for a big opening and then losing yardage. It might have become a habit.

Of course some people are not going to be convinced and like to be nasty. You can not read threads that you disagree with. Is there any need to turn into a censorship Nazi? Chill out is a good option.

Until we find out what some other teams and then the Bills are going to do at QB, any such discussion is hypothetical. If they trade off most of the first 6 picks for a QB, we will be talking about very similiar looking guys ranking in the 150's. If you discuss using a high draft pick on something other than a QB, there are a half dozen vicious posters who have nothing to do but insult you. I think this forum will be killed by them.

This is the same thread as what? I'm interested in the Bills and have found some angles that are interesting. You make all you comments from the same place, posting the same ideas, but phrased differently. I get it. You want to sell the entire farm and trade up to #1 or #2 to get a QB. It wouldn't hurt if you would open up you mind a little bit.

TT was never going to bring the Bills long term success. Time to cut your loses and try something else.

If the Bills HAVE TO move up into the top 5, why are they talking to these guys?

True, but these teams have had a "franchise" QB for years and are still weak. Remember that Eli was on a team that had a winning record the previous year and (if you read the Giant fan's opinions) tanked this year because a few other players had injuries. Does that mean that a few players out or not drafted means the team tanks? Many of these teams have good QB's but haven't been able to get off the floor. Horrible, I guess because it doesn't agree with your agenda that the only thing we need is a great great QB and then it is superbowl time. Sorry to show evidence of a bunch of teams with #1 or #2 picks or with $10 million plus contracts who did worse that we did last year.

Still being childish with the ad hominem attacks. No one would ever accuse you a running a crusade for a particular viewpoint, would they.

Funny thing. The Bills are drafting #12 this year and somehow there seems to be only a few teams (Browns, Jets & Broncos) who are pretty sure of drafting a QB ahead of us. Now we all expect that there will be some teams trading up to grab a QB, but if a QB is all that dang important and just makes everything butterflies and rainbows... why aren't all those teams drafting ahead of us grabbing a QB and moving directly on to the promise land? Doesn't a “franchise QB” get you there? Why aren't they drafting a QB? Or maybe they already have a “franchise” guy and still are in the bottom 12 of the league. How could that be? Let's look: Browns (they have Kizer, OK, they are one of the ones getting a QB this year. Giants they have Eli Manning. Sounds like he has been called a F.QB. #1 overall pick Jets They have moved up to get a QB Texans they have Watson Sounds like he has been called a F.QB. #12 pick 4 year $14M Broncos They have a committee of 3 and are one of the ones getting a QB this year. Colts they have Luck. Sounds like he has been called a F.QB. #1 overall pick Bucks they have Wilson Sounds like he has been called a F.QB #1 overall pick Bears they have Trubinski Sounds like he has been called a F.QB #2 overall pick 49'ers they have Garoppolo Sounds like he has been called a F.QB $27M/ year contract Oakland they have Carr Sounds like he has been called a F.QB 5 year $125M fish they have Tannehill Sounds like he has been called a F.QB 4 year $77M picked #8 If getting a “franchise QB” is the sure path to success, then why are eight of the teams who have “franchise guys” sitting before us in the draft?

This is a good year for the Pat's to try to pick up another Garro type QB. With the top 4-5 taking everybody's attention, a number of QB's who would ordinarily be picked in the first round or early 2nd, will be available in the 2nd or 3rd round. They will (thinks this guy) take a decent guy in the 2nd round and groom him up as either a replacement for Brady or, after polishing and a few successful cameo performances, as a trade for a 1st round pick. That is the sort of things the Pat's do.

They brought in a big FA space hog and are turning over a lot of rocks looking for retreads. That might fill the holes at defensive line. But they don't have an extra CB to play nickle and have only one starting LB. The rest of the LB are 3rd stringers. We need help there.

I thought we went to several superbowls.

It's Shirley

Good Lord. Why would the fish pass on getting somebody at #11, who people thing is one of the top 2 QB's and a surefire franchise QB? How many people had Rosen being drafted in the top 4 ! They can let him learn the ropes and next year trade Tanneyhill and draft a backup in the 3rd in 2019 or hire one of the many failed former 1st rounders who are looking for work.

Well , you should realize some of the properties of the (not very good record) teams picking ahead of us. Of the 11, a few of them badly need quarterbacks. Most of them have "franchise QB's" already but are weak everywhere else. A good way to join those teams who pick early is to sell the entire farm for a "franchise QB" while the rest of your team is sub-par. ........... When you don't allow trade ups, the teams in the middle and top of the league are prevented from moving up to snare their QB of the future. They can afford it because they don't have as desperate a need to restock the rest of the roster. (It is a team game after all)........ Now somehow we have to find a way to make it illegal for all these other teams to trade up, so we have that method all to ourselves.

Hey, he could be a franchise player, but I didn't think that McBean was planning on a Tyrod Taylor the second. I voted for a positional player and would take a more-pocket passer guy at #22. http://walterfootball.com/scoutingreport2018ljackson.php

Nope. That is a very silly idea. What reality is suppose to be is that NOBODY can trade up to beat us to one of the top 4-5 QB's. Nobody is going to way overpay. None of the teams picking before us are going to want to keep their pick for themselves rather than trade it for an equal value group of lower picks. There is no reason to speculate about what we might do at #12 and trading down is CERTAINLY not one of them

.....and the guy will play BOTH ways.

Sorry, he is the evil genius. Of course Brady might be the best QB ever in the league. Bellycheck is one or two steps ahead of every new wrinkle in the game. (remember the "swarm defense" that he popped on the Bills where the d-linemen all have their hands off the dirt and mill around- completely blowing the o-line blocking assignements? ) He fine-tune reads the rules and takes advantage of bad phrasing. He cheats and usually gets away with it. He can beat you with your cast off players. Check out the yardage for Chris Hogan for 4 years with Buffalo and 2 years with the pasties. https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/H/HogaCh00.htm

I disagree. We have aging guards who are not being pushed by recently drafted younger guys. The tackles are fair but not great. The center is a backup. Last year the stats for the line are misleading. Taylor got ~25% of the rushing yards and Shady ~75%. Defenses worked on containment of Taylor and often used a spy on him. The offensive line looks better when the defense is sort of playing a player short. They were able to do this because Taylor was not a big danger to hurt them with his arm. Drafting a running QB is not a good thing for the pros. He will get hurt, and then you are playing with a backup. The players are bigger and faster and stronger than college and the collisions are higher energy than college- but the bones and ligaments are not stronger to the same extent. .............. We have to upgrade the offensive line and linebackers. Have you looked at the loss of linebackers and cornerbacks? That is 3 holes right there.

All the top 4-5 QB's have quite different strengths and weaknesses. Some are potential head cases. Some do everything pretty well. Some have some injury problems. Some are inaccurate (somehow that gets better when playing against pro cornerbacks). Yet !! All 4 are of equal ability here. ??? I suspect the reason for that statement is to have to avoid making a decision as to who is the top dog. From the time of OJ (1969) there have been 5 running backs drafted #1, most of them in the 1980's, which is about 30 years ago. Bo Jackson 1986 that is 32 years ago. almost a third of a century. George Rogers 1981 E, Campbell 1978 Ricky Bell 1977 OJ 1969. In the time since OG, there have been 22 Quarterbacks drafted #1 and 12 defensive linemen. 5 running backs. Might there be a reason?

Isn't a QB the most important player on the field? Why would it be absurd to take the best QB as your first pick?