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He is exploiting his knowledge of their players to jigsaw puzzle them into need of the Bills. He might have come from a different team and would be doing the same.

Thanks for posting that. I listened to it and took notes. I'll post my notes about what they said and I don't completely agree with all of their talk, I think they are spot on about evaluating the players. I think the top 2 may be gone before our pick or move up and keep changing who I think we should go after next.

we are not going to find him at pick #54, when 9-13 CE's are mocked to be picked before our turn in round 2. There are 3 first round quality RB and about 3 2nd round quality RB's in this draft. We pick 2/3 the way down round 2. Getting one of the top 3 with some move up would be great. The guy would be the 1a RB and Singletary would be a solid good 1B. The next 3 down would also be worth #54. I think so many Buffalo fans have grown up never ever having a stud running back that they don't know what that is or feels like. Imagine the other team being scared that on any handoff, out guy could take it to the house, RATHER than UH ? is he going to get enough yards to make 2nd down reasonable? "Just a guy" guys are easy to get. I agree with that. We can get somebody who the other team has to scheme against going to the house. IT makes everything else so much easier.

Well when you started out with jack-S you might have to spend a 2nd and a 3rd to wind up with a top 5 or 10 RB group..

why? You really should have two running backs that are about the same quality. They handle the ball a lot and if one is not very good, then the defense could tee off on the passing game when the other is out.

Commissioner Roger Goodell officially informed teams Thursday that the NFL draft will be held as scheduled next month. Goodell sent his memo to the teams after the owners’ labor negotiating committee, the Management Council Executive Committee (known within the sport as the CEC) reaffirmed earlier Thursday that the draft should occur April 23-25, without postponement. https://www.washingtonpost.com/sports/2020/03/26/roger-goodell-reaffirms-teams-that-nfl-draft-will-be-held-scheduled/

Canniablizing an earlier post, here is some info and opinion about the RB options. My opinion is that we can get a starting RB, who would make Singletary the backup. We would play both of them every game- maybe a 60%: 40% type split. Remember Singeltary is on the small side and was dinged up for 4 games last year. Don't expect that to get better. Having said all that in another thread, the discussion changed my mind to seeing Akers (not Aikens) as the guys who should be our target. He is as big and fast as any of them has good vision and catches the ball well. He played behind a average to poor offensive line and still dominated. Beane likes to find guys who are underrated. .... Taylor should be the first guy off the board and I'm not sure we could even trade up high enough to get him without using some high picks from 2021.

Cannibalizing some earlier posts, here is our trade up options to get a RB

You get what you pay for.

Right now I see the Bills with 10 offensive linemen. Nscekhe, Ford, Dawkins, Williams,,,,,Spain, Feliciano, Boettinger, Morse.....Bates & Victor Saleako. .... .... Somehow, I think that they will be able, near the end of training camp, cut this down to 7 core guys and 2 development guys. ... One or maybe two guys will get squeezed out. Injury may take care of that. Maybe we can trade a veteran guy to another team, that had a injury and get some sort of draft pick in 2021.

.....and that may be okay with Nsekhe as it will extend his career.

I see them probably adding some lower round picks to move up in the 2nd round, so they might have (2nd round + X round)= 6-2= 4? picks left? Most likely they would keep those. But still a great draft with adding a #1 wide receiver(with experience) and maybe a starting RB in this draft.

Davis was considered a 1st round draft pick by 1986 NFL Draft by Mel Kiper and Gil Brandt,[1 . As a junior, he rushed for 1,611 yards (#3 in the NCAA) and 16 touchdowns, earning him a first team selection on the College Football All-America Team. He also had the 5th most votes of all candidates for the Heisman Trophy that year. He was selected by the Packers in the second round of the 1986 NFL Draft.[6] As a rookie, he was the team's leading rusher with 519 yards, returned 12 kickoffs for 231 yards, and caught 21 passes for 142 yards. In 1987, he was their leading rusher again, although he only rushed for 413 yards. Davis played only 9 games with the Packers in 1988 due to injuries, and signed with the Bills after the season ended. In 1990, he rushed for 302 yards on just 64 carries (a 4.7 yards per carry average), caught 9 passes for 78 yards, and scored 5 touchdowns. In 1992, Davis had the best season of his career. He rushed for 613 yards, caught 15 passes for 80 yards, returned 14 kickoffs for 251 yards, and scored a career-high 6 touchdowns. But he is best remembered for his superb performance in the post season. In Buffalo's wild card game against the Houston Oilers, Thomas was knocked out of the game early with a hip injury, and Houston built up a 28–3 first half lead. Then, they increased it to 35–3 early in the third quarter when backup quarterback Frank Reich's pass was intercepted and returned for a touchdown. But in what became known as The Comeback, Buffalo stormed back and won the game 41–38 in overtime; the rally from the 32-point deficit[8] was the largest comeback in NFL history. Davis was instrumental in the Bills victory, rushing for 68 yards, catching 2 passes for 25 yards, and scoring the first touchdown of the game for Buffalo. cf https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kenneth_Davis_(American_football) Okay, so the facts are that Davis was the backup, played well and at least once got the Bills into the Superbowl. I like that, although others might differ. He was a 1-2ndr round guy and was drafted in the second round. I don't think it was a wasted pickup for the Bills.

Gee, Thurman. You forgot Kenneth Davis already? If there is an injury, do you want the running back to be somebody one step away from being a street free agent? I don't agree. You are in the "drafting for need" extreme as opposed to the "BPA" extreme. So gauche. !!

I disagree and agree. Some people go overboard with the idea of "BPA". If we have an all-pro starting center and a good backup,,, they say "the BPA is a center. DRAFT HIM (and have him sit on the bench for 8 years). It also implies that you just sit there passively, keep all your draft picks and ignore holes in your roster. And if you ever draft for need, when then you HAVE VIOLATED THE DIGNITY OF SMART PEOPLE LIKE ME. ..... Instead, he has used a combination of building the team with free agents and draft picks. I think he looks at both how the draft is going to unfold AND what FA's are available, (and has the ones he wanted signed before the draft) AND THEN goes into the draft looking for specific players that he has targeted. Yes, those player are at a specific position. The draft is also used to CHEAPLY get the impact players who can be of all-pro calibre. He traded up to get Allen, Edmunds, Ford, Knox, and Dawkins and took Milanio about 60 picks above where most draft publications thought he should go. ... ... I guess I see him integrating the use of draft and FA's to improve the roster with FA and try to get difference makers rather than incremental improvements in the draft. We to wide receivers, I expect a feeding frenzy on them and there will be teams that overdraft lower round WR because they get greedy and want to look smart. I expect Beane to use the lower picks for trade bait and to look for the damaged toys, who might be a diamond in the rough. Vosen Joseph? Some guy who got hurt his junior and senior year or was playing behind an established golden boy starter of the same graduating class. (Remember that TT guy?) I really don't see any rookie that we get in the 4th or 5th round as an improvement over our present 2rd string players. Rather than improving the 2nd and 3rd string backups, I think they will take moon shots in the 5th 6th and 7th round.

Thanks for the response. I think that most people think of BPA means staying at your draft slot and taking the highest rated player regardless of position. I do not think that all those 150-200-300 players are that widely separated in value (best), so team needs and position choice also play a role in the guys who are maybe in your 48-59 window. Beane has shown he will spend lower draft picks to move up 5-10 slots when he thinks there is a real gem player available.

By "A young top 10 pass rusher", I think you mean someone who ranks as in the top 10 in the NFL, rather than one of the top 10 DE's drafted this year. We pick a #54 now. We are not going to get that guy this year in the draft. (Okay, there is a 5-10% chance DE #10 might be that guy in 2-3 years).

There is such a run on DEs predicted by the mock drafts that I don't see that this is they year to go DE, except in late rounds.

If you think about the military,,, often there is a good young 2nd Lt just arrived and he has been trained to know it all, but you can not train actual experience. Team him up with a seasoned old sarge and they will both live and be successful. ... ... I think it is better to bring in veteran WR for Allen, rather than college hot-shots who still have to learn the pro game.

A second RB who doesn't even play half the runs still gets 7-10 carries a game. He carries the frigging ball and can make or break the game. A third string defensive end, who still has to learn the prog game and plays 3-4 plays a game, and most of the time it doesn't matter what he does- the playcall takes him out of the play. Which is more valuable? IF your 3rd string defensive end (what you will get with not a top 10 draft pick, not a top 20 draft pick, not a first round pick, not at early or middle second round pick) gets hurt, who even notices?

You are a bit locked into your own view and haven't listened to what is going on. First of all, "....What matters is only how good he is compared to everybody...." Do you really believe that there are going to be 12 top notch defensive tackles or offensive tackles in the draft this year? I'll give you a chance to tell us all, the last time that a draft produced the top 10 DE's AND OT 's in the league. We will wait and evalutate that say in 2022. The reaching is going on by the other teams, if we can trust the mock draft people. ... This year there are 3-5 running backs who would be able to spell or replace Singletary AND there is a hole on the Bills for backup RB, AND there is not much available by trade or FA AND Beane has made no effort to fill that hole. It looks like one of those top 5 RB may be best player available and ALSO fill a need for the Bills. .. That looks to be the plan. It is bad thinking to fasten onto a mantra and demand it has to be followed regardless. Let's say the BPA is a center or a safety. We have very good players at those positions so the rookie would be sitting on the bench for 2-3 years, learning the pro game. We might agree that would not be smart. The top 3 RB are not at reach at #54 and even the top 5 are not a reach. Bean is playing his cards well. A good one will drop to us or be available with a trade up.

I remember Guitry, Jacbonson and Stratton as the linebackers at old War Memorial Stadium.

Heh? who was the starter then? He missed four games. Projected the 12 Games to 16 at his rate would have given 39 receiptions- still way below Thomas. By the way, Thurman did that for 6 years in a row. We could upgrade the RB pass receiving with several of the top 5 RB's. ********************************************* Saw your response. Agree that he was on course for okay numbers for receiving. Not to a TT level but decent.

A bad thing about E-H is that he is 206 pounds but only 5-7. 3 of the top 5 are about 10-20 pounds heavier and 3-4 inches taller. ... .... By the way, do not forget that Denny Davis was considered a first round pick at the beginning of his senior year, but played one game and got caught up in a scandal. He sat out his senior year, got taken in the 2nd round by the Raiders and came to the Bills after 2 years. He would have been a starter on about half of the teams in the league. He also got us into the superbowl. In the great comeback win, TT got hurt early and Davis was great in helping to win that game to keep us in the playoffs. Two great RB's is a good idea. Singletary woudl be the backup by midseason.

We can get the 2nd or 3rd best RB and certainly a top 5. (quality goes down after that). If we get one of the top four, by midseason Singletary will be the backup. Note also, that we seldom passed to Singletary He was 29 receiptions on 41 targets for a total of 194 yards. He is not a weapon to help the other WR's. Compare that 29 receptions to Thurman Thomas '1988 60 1990 49 1991 61 1992 58 1993 48 It is double the number. A number of the top 5 RB's are excellent receivers this year. No reason to disarm ourselves.