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My theory with Mack is that he is a hobo and the train he hopped on just happened to bring him to New England

yea Jeudy got traded to the Browns then extended

Im not even sure it’s a Bills pro scouting issue. If a WR in their prime is in free agency, they just aren’t that good. The only players I could find in the last 5 years who outproduced their best season on their first contract team(s) are Jakobi Myers, Christian Kirk, Kendrick Bourne and Robbie Anderson (Chosen). What a list. Draft and develop WRs instead of paying mid tier money to a free agent is the way to go in the future. I hope Palmer or even Moore can be a great WR but I don’t expect much out of either of them. Shakir, Coleman and Kincaid are our best hopes of improvement in the passing game. The others are simply to have enough bodies to throw out there and occasionally make a play like Mack did.

Yea it was Jerry O, thanks. We will see, Davis is a physical freak, and Walker is not that. Walker does have a better feel for pass rush tho, so maybe he can make it up there. Getting his body right and losing some weight in his middle is probably the #1 goal this year.

Yea one of the Bills podcasters mentioned that a few days ago. Hopefully they can work the same magic with Walker.

Good on you for the patience to keep going over this stuff. I had to tap out several pages ago.

I want to submit Steelers as the weirdest off-season. Pay big bucks for DK to pair with Pickens only to have Mason Rudolph, Will Howard or the ghost of Aaron Rodgers throw to them.

They may not value running backs that way, but he is still a really good player. Schoen in NJ is from Beane’s tree and he let Saquon walk bc he didn’t think running backs were worth that much. For me I would rather pay him because I know he is good, our running game was very important last year and I don’t want to spend a high draft pick to replace him next year. But this is probably getting a little off track from the original topic, so I hope you have a great day.

Yea I agree, that’s why I included other players that have not made the pro bowl. I was trying to be as charitable as I could to Beane and the other options for best player drafted since it’s a bit of a short list. Idk what Cook will make on the open market. But Michael Pittman, Deebo, and Calvin Ridley all make more than Saquon. Positions get valued differently in the NFL, but that is a different conversation than best player.

Yea I think Shakir is a higher end #2 since he was like 37th in ypg last year. Then Coleman and Palmer were like 54 and 65 respectively, then Moore was somewhere in the 70s so yea 1 WR2, then 3 WR3…maybe 4 if Samuel is back to where his career usually is. Deeper but no high end players. I love Shakir but he had 821 yards and 4 TDs in his best season last year. Cook had 1250 yards and 18 TDs last year and over 1500 yards in 2023. Shakir is one of the best values we have drafted but not close to the second best player imo. I only include Tremaine because he was a 2 time pro bowler with us and the number of pro bowlers drafted under Beane is not very long.

Honestly he may be the second best player drafted by Beane period, though at an undervalued position. The others in contention are Tremaine, Benford, Spencer Brown, and Rousseau. Maybe Im forgetting someone else. Our WR 1-5 probably stacks up well with several other teams WRs 2-5, just missing that top end talent. Glad they improved the WR5 spot over Shavers/Shenault. Really hoping Moore can take over the return duties so we can cut Coddrington.

I was talking about skill possession players but was not clear I suppose. Yes football is a balancing act. Having good skill position players is part of that balance. I hope what we have will be good enough and hope we are able to continue building it like we have other parts of the team. Pay James Cook.

Sanders wasn’t really a reach, and LJ was amazing value

The pick I am most excited for. He is going to be the DE we have been waiting for

Yes there is variance per game of course, but we did run 5 WRs deep. If you select each players name individually it gives you their season long snap percentage. You can do that with the defensive players as well and will see the same thing.

Our 5th WR played about 34% of offensive snaps last year (MVS+Coop, Shakir, Mack, Keon and Samuel were all over 34%). Only 2 DTs, 2 DEs, and 3 CBs took more snaps. Though Smoot did take slightly more than that percentage in the games he was healthy. https://www.pro-football-reference.com/teams/buf/2024-snap-counts.htm

I think the “we think the guys on the roster are really good” is the argument where even the most die hard person will disagree but can accept. But this does open Beane up to having egg on his face if that group falls short this year. The New England point is silly tho. The first three were so long ago they could all legally drink now (aka a different era) and the 2010s championships all happened when Edelman and Gronk hit their prime and those two were really good. yuck had to throw up a bit after typing that.

Yea I believe we drafted 4 college team captains last year too. It was talked about on Reddit last year after so many were drafted and it was said we had drafted three team captains in 3 of the prior 4 drafts too.

He only has a 2.5 mil dead cap this year post 6/1 if cut. We cut OJ Howard a few years ago with a similar dead cap. It probably comes down to him and Daquon since I think they will keep 5

When you combine MVS and Coopers (his replacement) snap counts, the Bills had 5 WRs who logged at least 34% of snaps. Only 2 DTs, 2 DEs, and 3 CBs had more than 34% of snaps. Currently our 5th WR is Shavers, Shenault or Prather https://www.pro-football-reference.com/teams/buf/2024-snap-counts.htm

Yet they still put a UFA tender on him 😂 never change Browns until you sink into the lake

I don’t think anyone is saying defense isnt where the most improvement was needed and most picks should have gone. The argument is that WR should have probably been prioritized over a Cam Lewis replacement, a Quentin Morris replacement, a third DB, and an OL who may have difficulty making the roster. (And honestly I liked ALL of those individual players). The reason being having a more talented WR group may make it so that Josh doesn’t have to literally play perfect to reach those point totals. And yes a 4th or 5th round rookie probably doesn’t make a huge impact on 2025. But maybe by 2026 or 2027 you have someone good on the roster so you don’t have to pay average guys in FA or need an early round rookie WR to step up immediately.

Buffalo plus called the D-line Beane’s Waterloo. Either he will figure it out and we will be world champs, or it will be his undoing.

Most of these rookies are going to be far down the depth chart to start with. The hope is to get them in and maybe they develop like Shakir did. Im a bit of a draftnik so I liked those guys personally, but trusting Beane is fair. He is not always right, but I really really hope he is!

I don’t think anyone has had any problem with using most picks on the defense, I was pretty ecstatic after day 2 ended. I think the complaint has been not trying to add a receiver until after trading up twice for DTs, drafting the third DB, drafting a blocking TE and an OL. If the Bills had moved up from where they were, and landed a Jalen Royals, Elic Ayomanor or Tory Horton I think the noise would basically be non-existent. The only young guys we have are Coleman and Kincaid who looked pretty bad last year and Palmer who really has been bland in LA. So not having new talent at WR has people like me feeling a bit down in that regard. Though I am excited for the defense.