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Wide Receiver Train Full Speed Ahead- CHOO CHOO!
LEBills replied to Pete's topic in The Stadium Wall
I agree Egbuka is a good receiver and better than Harris right now. Getting him at 30 would be a steal. My main questions for Horton is health. If you have any others I’d be interested in look for them too. Golden even at 8 is still a receiver I’d be happy with at 30. Some underrated things about Golden and his route running is he would get outside of a defender just enough that he drew a bunch of holding and pass interference penalties. He also was good in contested situations, even without being the biggest or springiest because he got himself into the best positions on the play. And he kept the Texas passing game afloat and when he was out for a bit against Georgia Texas offense just stalled. My main reason for having him this low is he just doesn’t look like that dynamic of an athlete to me. Now I felt the same way about AD Mitchell last year and then he blew up the combine. (Ewers just seems to have that effect of making world class athletes looks sluggish). But Golden would create nice separation for himself and then get caught from behind. I think he can be really good and will probably wind up better than some of the guys ahead of him in my ranks, but when I try to factor in upside I wound up with him at 8. -
Wide Receiver Train Full Speed Ahead- CHOO CHOO!
LEBills replied to Pete's topic in The Stadium Wall
Yea I think that is short changing him a bit. I get why you feel that way, the Ole Miss offense didn’t put him through many routes where he had to get separation. But I think there are moments against his SEC competition that flash whether it’s a screen pass, running away from a defender or stacking a few defenders for a long catch. So I think he has it in him to become a good separator for his size. Brown came out of a small college so I never watched him in college even though I’ve been following the draft since 06. Worthy is a good comparison because Bond basically filled his role in the Texas offense. Worthy is faster, but I think Bond is a better receiver than Worthy was. Worthy made plays but he would also make some mistakes (fumbles, drops, not being disciplined on the sideline). Bond has his own drops but I think he does some of the smaller stuff better. I think if you could use him like Zay Flowers in Baltimore that would be an awesome role for him. -
Wide Receiver Train Full Speed Ahead- CHOO CHOO!
LEBills replied to Pete's topic in The Stadium Wall
Recommend watching White’s 2023 film. More consistent QBing and variety of routes. UNLV got very run heavy and had White run much more basic routes in 2024. Horton was another guy limited by his offense. Great hands and hit 22 mph (or 33.5 km/h haha) on the field, he just didn’t get to show his speed a ton. Big fan of Harris. He isn’t much of a route runner bc of the system but physically he is dominant. I think Bond’s speed is special. He had a rough 2024 due to injuries which ceded touches to Golden. Prior to Bonds injury in Week 5, he was much more productive then Golden. Watching him at Alabama he was going to be the next guy up until Saban retired. -
Wide Receiver Train Full Speed Ahead- CHOO CHOO!
LEBills replied to Pete's topic in The Stadium Wall
Assuming Harris and Horton medicals are ok: 1. Tet McMillan 2. Tre Harris 3. Emeka Egbuka 4. Isaiah Bond 5. Tory Horton 6. Jayden Higgins 7. Matthew Golden 8. Ricky White 9. Luther Burden 10. Tez Johnson -
I agree, but only cap savings comes with a trade. So hopefully they figure that out rather than eating the $4 mill dead cap if they just release him.
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If we trade Elam before 6/1 we save 2.5 mill. Would some team take Elam and a 6th for a 7th rounder?
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Yea it’s a draft with no instant impact players, a couple guys that filled a role. Have the most hope for Bishop, Solomon and Grable going forward. McDermott had weird comments about Bishop in July about the number one thing for him is being in shape after the break [before camp]. That along with being behind guys like Hamlin and Rapp all year just seems like maybe the Bills didn’t get what they were expecting.
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Tre Harris or any of the DTs that wind up at 30 (Walter Nolan, Derrick Harmon, TJ Sanders, Kenneth Grant).
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Yea it will be interesting to see his measurements. He did outrun the Marshall defense on a screen pass so the speed may be there. I will say that he was clutch for OSU, he has just been there so long he is a bit taken for granted. Kind of like how Chris Olave was. Egbuka is my top slot WR and so when the rankings are combined puts Horton at WR6 too. He is another guy that ran a million short routes and didn’t get to show his speed enough in college.
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Yup, either they sign him and skimp everywhere else besides Burrow, Chase and Hendricks (maybe) to stay in Browns budget. Or they will tag him and try to trade him. Either way won’t be an option for us.
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Yea we will see how he tests and measures also. I’m just not sure he has a special physical trait to go along with his route running, but if he did he probably wouldn’t be available in our range. I would be ok with Egbuka at 30 if they want to try him out wide, and if it doesn’t work you have a cost controlled slot receiver as Shakir comes available for a second contract. Of the two Texas WRs, I think Bond is the more talented if healthy. But Golden did prop up the Texas passing offense with Bond hurt down the stretch. At 30 I’d be ok with him too but yes may prefer a defensive player at that spot. Higgins is actually my outside WR5 (whereas Bryant and Felton are 9 and 10) atm as I am working through things. But I think being out for most of the year last year may drop him closer to that rd3 range with the others. Especially since I can’t find much detail on what his knee injury was.
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Yea for Harris, the Ole Miss offense is a bit weird but I think I see enough separation and speed that he could be a really good player outside. Injuries are my biggest concern with him. Egbuka played over 70% in the slot in college and only caught 14 deep throws over the past 3 years. He is a good route runner and if put in more of those situations, I’m sure he could make some plays but I’d prefer to pass. I’d be happy with Golden, Bond or getting two of the other outside receivers later in the draft (Bryant, Higgins, Felton, etc) Ive joined you on the get Higgins bandwagon. That gives Josh an alpha WR who has shown he can do it in the playoffs, frees up our draft, and then we can draft later WRs to try and develop. I don’t think we will win the Higgins sweepstakes or Metcalf but I’m hopeful.
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Mike Wallace is a good one since they both had two 1k yard seasons. Could go back to Andre Rison as Tee has three 900+ yard seasons to his name like Rison did when he hit free agency yea we know the reason. Pretty rare opportunity for a team to get a good young WR without having to give up anything aside from cap space.
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The 4 games Higgins played without Chase in 2022: 23 catches, 371 yard and 2 touchdowns. outproduced Chase in both AFCCGs they went to and in the Super Bowl. Injuries are a risk. we would be lucky if Keon develops into a similar receiver that Higgins is. Would be basically unheard of for a WR with his resume and in his prime to make it to free agency.
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Yep. Keon is the only receiver we have drafted in the first three rounds in Josh’s entire career. Egbuka is a nice slot receiver but our outside receiver needs an upgrade. Tre Harris is the best of the outside options this year imo. But honestly, Tee Higgins like you have said before is the best option assuming he hits the market. Won’t cost any draft capital and he has been great against the Chiefs in the postseason. Also, frees us up to draft defense and developmental offensive players.