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Any team that trades a blue chipper for a draft choice in this years draft is going to eat the anchor for years to come.
It's more than coincidence that the blue chippers that have been traded so far have been considered malcontents.
The Jets willingness to trade a 1st rounder for Doug Jolley sets the bar for this draft, when a players baggage is not the motivation for a deal.
The Bills should trade Henry and fill out their interior line postions with their existing picks. Anything else would seriously overplay the talent in this draft.
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More than anything, this trade places the true value on a late first round pick in this years draft. The 26th pick = a mediocre tight end.
Any team that tries to use the traditional value chart for draft choices this year is going to get royally screwed (how's it going Washington?
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No way does Donahoe trade Clements AND a pick for the Redskins pick in such a weak draft. Barron doesn't warrent that price. The Bills would do just as well with Shelton or even Walker.
Matt Jones will be picked up by Philly or NE with their 1st round picks, so he won't be around in the 2nd.
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Isn't Tampa cap-strapped? James is probably way too expensive for the Bucs. Gruden might be looking for a cheaper, Tyrone Wheatley type runner to compliment Garner. Henry would fit that role.
And Philly could be looking the same thing. With Westbrook a restricted free agent, they could sign him and Henry for less than what Alexander commands. Plus they like Westbrook, they just need a between the tackles guy to compliment him.
I wouldn't be suprised if both Philly and Tampa do have an interest in Henry. They both have west coast offenses that could use a reliable between the tackles threat. Neither is looking to spend a lot of money to revamp their running games, which makes Henry a good fit. I think the interest in Henry is real.
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Mickey, I think that much of this comes down to the fact that we are a small market, cold weather franchise with an owner who although is not cheap, is far less wealthy than his cohorts. Does RW have 15 million to give as a signing bonus, to a cornerback no less? If so, does NC want to play here?
You bring up Pat Williams. Notice that not one but two replacements for him were drafted. Personally, I think that this is the best way for the Bills to go when possible. The team stays young, and the players cost less, at least initially. PW is not going to get any better at his age.
I would like to see the Bills stockpile draft picks, as did NE and the Eagles. Imo, this, and good selections is the best avenue for the Bills to win a superbowl.
I am a fan of NC, but even at that, I am against paying him a huge percentage of the Bills total salary cap allotment. He IS a cornerback. I dont want to see him and Mike Williams approach 20% of the payroll. No, imo, salaries such as this should be reserved for the likes of Peyton Manning, Jonathan Ogden, Orlando Pace, etc., NOT a corner.
Again, jmo.
A point here, though, is that NE and Philadelphia let several of their good players walk away with nothing in return.
Law, Milloy, Trotter, Vincent, Andruzzi, Patten, and Taylor are just some of the guys both these teams released for nothing in return.
The only starter I remember from either team being traded instead of released was Tebucky Jones.
Bledsoe and Feely were traded for high picks, but both of those guys were backups, not starters.
So if the Bills were to act like the SB teams from last year, they'd get all they could out of Clements this year, and then let him go if he asks for too much. It represents a 'win-now' mentality that the Bills will need to embrace to take the next step.
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Not so sure they've got that WCO back if Westbrook doesn't sign. Between the tackles, draftees Sproule K-State and Shelton Louisville could do the job for them. They might also consider Vandy's Tant, a blocker and has good hands.
Tant:
Isn't Sproles 180 lbs? Hardly a between-the-tackles runner.
None of the other guys are proven NFL runners. Philly's has extra picks this year, so why not exchange one for a back with a couple of 1,000 yard seasons behind him and an affordable contract?
And Henry isn't a replacement for Westbrook, he's an added piece to the offense. If Westbrook doesn't sign, they'll definitely need another WC back.
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Good thoughts. My inclination is to wait for veteran cuts (and although quite doubtful, perhaps some clubs are waiting for just that regarding TH - you never know). His performance in last year's early games were not what a trade partner wanted to see.
I'd be happy to get an outright #3 in the upper half of that round, and put a bit of faith in a different offensive game philosophy helping out come game day.
I'd be surprised to see him go to PHI - pass catching backs are integral to their scheme. I think TB would be the best fit.
I wouldn't be surprised with a Philly trade. The Eagles have their pass catching backs and are looking for a between the tackles runner. Henry fits that role.
Unfortunately for Travis, a trade with TB or Philly does not guarantee him the featured back role. He'd be platooned with other backs in both places.
Henry's value will continue to pick up over the next couple of days. Donahoe's done a nice job of waiting this one out.
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I'll take a stab.
So the Bills SB offensive line was built entirely of high draft picks, riiiiight???
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Blake sucks. The Bills would have been looking to replace him 5 games into 2002, especially since the defense was a sieve. There's no way he would have matched Bledsoe's numbers. The Bills would ended up wasting more draft picks and/or FA money to replace him.
Garcia was not available in 2002. In 2004 he was available and bottomed out for the Browns.
Delhome might have been a good fit in 2002, but would he have thrown for 4,000 yards and 24 TDs with Buffalo that year? Because thats what the team needed in 2002 to post 8 wins.
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What difference does Ty Warren make? That would not of been the Bills selection. Lets check out opportunity cost- we could of selected Troy Polamalu, Eric Steinbech, Anquin Boldin, LJ Smith, Bethel Johnson, Boss Bailey, etc. Surely any of the above would be of more value to our team then Bledsoe
Completely disagree. If the Bills had to chase a QB over the last 3 years, it would have been a complete disaster.
Imagine if they would have moved up to get Joey Harrington instead of Bledsoe in 2002. The Bills would have been nothing more than bottom feeders the past 3 years.
Bledsoe was a great fit for a team in the middle of a massive rebuilding project. The Bills evolved into a team that could beat 75% of the teams in the league under him.
Now that the roster has been restocked, the Bills have the luxury to replace him to take the next step.
This will be remembered as a solid trade.
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I can't imagine that, after trading Champ Baily and letting Fred Smoot go, that Washington is going to trade a 1st round pick for a CB that will cost them more than those two guys to keep beyond this year.
Snyder would be certifiably insane to make such a trade (I know, he's close now).
It makes for sense for Washington to move up a bit (probably won't cost as much as other years) and grab Jones or Rolle in the first round.
I can see Washington being interested in Henry, but not Clements.
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I must be crazy, because I think the combination of Losman and Holcombe will be able to at least equal Bledsoe's performance last season. It's not like the team needed an all-pro performance from him to win games.
The Oline might be in shambles, but it was in shambles in April last season too. Last year the team lacked guards, this year they lack tackles. JMac brought it together then, and he'll do the same this season.
And when you consider that McGahee, Evans, and Milloy will be in the starting lineup from opening day (barring injury), the Bills will field a better team against Houston than they did against Jax last season.
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TSW will be having these types of discussions until we become a money-less society (in other words, forever).
Remember, you can never have too little to B word about.
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Don't start throwing around the "seperation of church and state in our constiutution" -- just don't go there. Whether or not you understand the original intent of that statement, it's foolish to go that direction.
BTW, what part of the constitution contains the phrase "separation of church and state"? or anything of the like?
Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.
— The First Amendment to the U.S. Constitution
And for good measure, here's Article 11 from the Treaty with Tripoli in 1796, signed by President John Adams (a founding father) and ratified by the Senate (1797):
"As the Government of the United States of America is not, in any sense, founded on the Christian religion; as it has in itself no character of enmity against the laws, religion, or tranquillity, of Mussulmen; and, as the said States never entered into any war, or act of hostility against any Mahometan nation, it is declared by the parties, that no pretext arising from religious opinions, shall ever produce an interruption of the harmony existing between the two countries."
Sounds like separation of church and state to me.
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Woods: Spoiled Brat!
It was after he hosed his T-Shot on either 15 or 16 he took his driver and smashed his tee into the ground with the driver head. What a spoiled brat. The announcers tried to cover for him saying, "that's not the best or worst reaction a player could have". Duh? They also did a lot of wondering whether Chris was complaining to the officials about that type of childish behavior. He gets away with stuff other players would get penalized for doing.
What a horrible example that type of behavior sets for youngsters. What will you tell me now? Tiger didn't do it? You didn't see it? Or you did see it and you are going to take a tip from Tiger and smash your tee into the ground after every tee shot because you yearn to be more like your hero.
If that's what it takes to glorify Tiger Woods ... then leave me out.
Woods birdied 15 and 16. So this incident didn't happen where you claim it did. And everyone who follows the Masters, knows that 16 is a famous par 3, so you show your ignorance by suggesting Woods hit a driver on 16.
I did see the incident you mention though, and I think it was on 10. Woods hit his drive right, into the trees, and purposely clipped the tee on his backswing.
DiMarco hit his drive and was seen talking to an official. The announcers, Nance and Watkins, speculated that DiMarco might have been complaining about Woods reaction to his shot. After taking a second look at Woods reaction, both dismissed the idea that Woods was out of line.
They soon learned that DiMarco was actually telling the official that the head on his driver came loose, and he needed a ruling on whether he could replace the club in his bag. The official granted his request. Nance and Watkins said that made more sense, as it was unfathonable that any fellow competitor would think Woods reaction was out of line.
So if you had any clue about what really goes on at a golf tournament, and weren't vailing your racist criticism, you'd understand that this was not an extreme reaction during a major tournament.
And if you're looking for role model for kids, perhaps you can point to DiMarco's comeback from a poor third round. Or you can point to the way Woods pulled himself together after back-to-back bogeys on 17 and 18, to play flawlessly in the playoff.
There's a lot to learn there, if you give yourself the chance.
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Nice try - but your theory is not grounded in fact.
Good teams find diamonds in the rough after the 2nd round that actually contribute on offense and defense. TD has only been minimally successful in this regard and has been forced to spend big money or trade to provide this talent.
The stellar play of the special teams in 2004 was a direct result of using starters because those mid-round picks that should be the core of your ST were not up to the challenge.
Nice try -- The starters on special teams is a myth. Aside from Fletcher, Clemments (and McGee), very few starters played on STs. Stammer, Haggin, Wire, Crowell, McGee, Smith, Peters, Dorenboes, and even Moorman were either mid-late round draftees or UDFAs.
The success of the special teams was due to the steller play of these players.
The reason more mid rounders don't start on this team is because Donahoe has done a good job in the early rounds of the draft and in FA.
For example, Crowell or Stammer could be the diamond in the rough you're looking for, but would you start either ahead of Spikes? How about starting Kevin Thomas ahead of Clemments? How about Sam Aiken ahead of Moulds or Evans?
And how many GMs could pick mid-rounders to replace Shoebel, Adams, Kelsay, Spikes, Fletcher, Clemments, Milloy, and Vincent in a 4 year period of time?
Donahoe's success in the early rounds and in FA have forced most of the mid-rounders onto special teams, and they have contributed to the best special teams unit in the league.
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>>>>>Let's take a look at how and why Travis Henry has been so critical to the success of this team<<<<<
If you consider the 0-4 start a "success," right on!
Travis, other than 2 years of good running stats and a poor performance at every other phase of football, has been a dismal failure.
Now, TD has one seemingly reluctant trading partner, who is willing to give us a LT that he cannot wait to unload. TD is right to want more. He will look silly if Shelton winds up not making the roster, as AKC suggested. As unlikely as this may seem, take notice of the fact that Jennings was scooped up in seconds for a huge price, and Shelton seems to attract barely a nibble. Odd for a quality LT, wouldn't you say?
The team has a FAR worse record with TH as a starter than the ever hated Drew Bledsoe, but dont let this stop you from cannonizing this underskilled misfit. We as Bills fans make a huge issue over this trade but from another angle, it looks like an insignifigant deal for two also-rans.
To me, Henry is a classic 2nd round running back. He's a strong straight ahead runner (something that he was very successful at doing with the Bills), but lacked break-away speed, blocking skills, and was a below average receiver.
Basically the Bills got their return on him, but there was room for the team to improve the position, and they did with McGahee.
Jennings got more responses because he was a FA. Teams have to beat the offer of Henry to get into the Shelton bidding, and teams with a need at LT can't beat that offer.
The Cardinals need to decide if the want a top rated CB and Henry, or do they want Cedric Benson and a 2nd round CB.
If they don't trade, they'll end up dumping Shelton for nothing, due to salary. At that point, interest in him will pick up.
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they have all the makings for a dynasty. they are stacked with the young top blue chip = PROVEN now and experienced = talent in the league at all positions (CB< QB< TE< PK< OL< RB< OLB). LT, Breese, Gates and Jammer are names enough. then you look at their depth (i.e, look at their defensive line).
BTW, any team can rush for 1, 000 yards. 1,000 was a majical number about 15 years ago. that is nothing now. back are after 2,000 total yards. not saying that the bills dont have a good OL. but look at sacks also, and pressures, and batted down passes and the respect teams are giving them with 8 or 9 guys in the box on 1st and 2nd down plays. those are the hallmarks of a good team and good OL. NOT 1,000 yards, like it used to be back in the late 1980s (i.e., george rogers).
TD has done a nice job in rounding the roster off and giving us a chance with the talent. but SD has diffence makers and that was evident in the games in 2004 where they blew people out and scored 40 points here and there and had PRO bowlers galor. put it this way, if the bills played SD - they would lose by at least 15.
No doubt SD opened some eyes this year, but most people had them slotted for last place in their division at the beginning of last season. Hardly the sign of "proven" young talent.
Plus they have a coach who can't win in the playoffs. I like what they're doing, but they have a lot to prove.
And while 1,000 yards is not a big deal, I believe 13,000 and 14,000 yard seasons are. And averaging 100 yards per start, as McGahee did last year, is impressive.
The O-line has deserved some criticism over the last few years, but they were playing in front of a QB that could not cover for their mistakes. One misread or one missed block pretty much meant the play was doomed.
That's why teams loaded up the box, because they knew Bledsoe was a sitting duck. And despite the loaded fronts, the RBs still made progress.
Don't get me wrong, I'd love to see the Bills trade for Shelton and a draft a G/C in the second round. But I wouldn't be ready to give up the season if this didn't happen.
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TD has a nice job, but I agree with one of the early posters on this thread who stated that we have failed to make the playoffs. Conversly, and not to bring up old badness, if you will, but John Butler and AJ Smith have built a dynasty in San Diego. Now, while the knee-jerk reaction is to say that “they had high picks,” they also have built their team’s core with solid 2nds, 3rd and later round lineman. Also, we had the 4th pick, and tons of extra picks from the fire sale for the guys TD cut bait with (Wade Phillips old scubs(Newman, et al.)). Look at these drafts by Butler and Adams:
2001 – L.T. and Breese, ) 02 – Jammer, Fonoti, Caldwall, Leber, 03, Sammy Davis, 04 rivers, Olshansky, Keeding, Oliva, Hardwick. Plus they have added amazing depth with some of their other draft picks and don’t forget finds like: Eric Parker, A. Gates, Willaims and Dingle. They have amazing depth and will be around for years and years to come. Especially if they deal Phillips to San Fran for the #1 overall.
After 10 straight years of losing, the Chargers have managed one good season. Hardly a dynasty. And they might have screwed it up if Rivers reported on time to camp.
They do have good young talent, but they play in a weak division. Their home loss to the Jets in the playoffs makes you wonder how successful they would have been in the AFC East.
Donahoe has also assembled some good young talent, as evidenced by the special teams unit he's built. And while we bash the O-line, the Bills have still managed to have a 1,000 rusher the last 3 years. An he's done a better job at bettering the team through free agency than SD has.
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The Peerless trade had nothing to do with the trade that netted Henry. Having Clements and Henry didn't make Price expendable. Two separate transactions. The Peerless trade netted McGahee, but it also necessitated the use of a first round pick on Lee Evans. Drew Bledsoe flamed out, necessitating the drafting of JP Losman and as a result, the Bills have expended 2 first rounders in the past 4 years on QB's. All in all, TD's work has been pretty average and the team he runs has been pretty average the past 4 years.
Agreed that the Peerless, Henry, and Clemments moves were unrelated.
Dumping Price was the right move, as evidenced by his performance in Atl. Bottom line is that Price is not a #1 WR, and it would have been a huge mistake to pay him like one.
Evans looks to have more upside, and looks like he can move into the #1 WR position in a couple of years.
And while Bledsoe flamed out, it was accepted that the Bills would have to draft his successor sometime soon, due to Bledsoe's age. The plan was to keep Bledsoe for a couple of more years while Losman matured, so drafting JP was not necessarily forced on Donahoe. Rather, Losman was forced into the lineup sooner than expected.
I would argue, due to the roster purge that was needed to fix the salary cap, the Bills have been a very bad team that has gotten better over the past 4 years. In other words, they are in the middle of a successful rebuilding program.
Anyone think Clarett = Lawrence Phillps?
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I think he's more like Cecil Collins.