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With no signs of a QB in place, in a passing league, guaranteeing the playoffs is just hot air. I'm not saying the Bills won't make it... I'm just saying what do you gain? Especially if you come up short. The media, who is his best friend during the offseason, won't hesitate to expose yet another Ryan Guarantee that didn't pan out. It doesn't help the team won games. It's hot air. It can't help, but it can hurt if you fail.

Please don't be negative. It's a waste of time. Think positive and hope for the best. That's all we can do as fans. This post was about perspective. I wouldnt think I was capable of souring the Bills fan base on Rex, nor would I care to. As for Roman. Are you at all concerned about how the 49ers offense performed this year? They were pretty healthy and they were very flat. Also, as someone who watched every game Rex coached, please don't get to caught up on stats regarding yardage rankings on the defense. Do you know how many times the opposing offense started in our redzone because of the plethora of turn overs our offense provided? Keep your eye on scoring defense. Our new HC just won assistant coach of the year for his work as defensive coordinator, and his defense was ranked 24th in yards...... BUT they were 5th in scoring defense with a patch work squad that was riddled with injuries. That's why they won 11 games. It certainly wasn't because of their offense. You know what's interesting? Both Sanchez's rookie year and Genos the team won games. He made sure they were on a short leash. In Genos 2nd year they let him loose and he bombed, for Sanchez it was year 3. All of a sudden we became a passing team. Both times I think he let the OC air it out (which is what they all want to do) because they did well the year before. Huge mistake with those QB's. His ego and need to make brash statements are a weakness. But I guess that's better than a Trestman/ Mike Smith style coach who is afraid of his own shadow.

From what the team always said, Rex hired Sporano, and Marty Morhenwig. He and the team always said he picked his assistants. Why would I comment on the GM? Did you hire Idzik too? Again I never said anything was all Rex's fault. But this thread is all about him. Now that I think about it I should join a Dolphins messgae board to see what they think of Tannenbaum. Thanks!

I was not referring to the Jets as one of the best run organizations in sports. They aren't even the best run in NY. Not even in Florham Park. I think their High School soccer team is run much more soundly than the Jets. LOL It was all about the Ravens.

Exactly. I had no issue with the trade because that exact pick yielded the DROY. But if you consider that we could have picked up Richardson with the pick from that trade, then resigned the player we traded away less than 365 days later. Every douche with a Revis jersey in his closet would have done a back flip. I don't think Revis would have been the difference in getting us to the playoffs, but he would have helped and it would have been a PR homerun. No matter what our final record would have been, if Idzik is aggressive with signing Revis he still has a job. Period.

You are probably right about Roman running the show on offense. I'm not a fan of the HC only focusing on one side of the ball. If the HC is watching one side of the ball and a coordinator watches the other who's keeping an eye on the big picture? Just sayin Well said, but disagree about the teams he inherited in 09 and 10'. Pretty solid talent less Smith, Scott, and Sanchez. If Kris Jenkins stayed healthy those years we may have took it all. And I don't at all think Rex was soley to blame. True, but that was one year out of six. It also begs the question, why did we run the exact same scheme and plays in 2014 that we ran when we had Revis and Cromartie as book ends?

I want to steal Hughes soooooo bad. I was so hyped up on him coming out of college. And then he did nothing for like 3 years. And then finally he emerged, and I think he will get even better. He has a 15+ sack season in him with the right pieces in place. And the Mets have such a HUGE need at that position. I think he will stay with Rex. Sadly.

Ummmmmmm should I say thank you? LOL I'd love to participate in a test of my Jets knowledge. As for manipulation, I only commented on my options on what I saw for 6 years. I also wouldn't encourge anyone to be negative about their team when a new HC takes over. It's a waste of time. These are just things to keep in mind as you watch and make your own observations. If Todd Bowles had been a HC before I would love to hear from fans of that team. Not because it helps or hurts anything, just because I love insight into my team. As a fan. I wish as much good luck to Rex as any AFC East rival could. Wouldn't be Rex's fault??????????? Who's fault is it.... for six years? No OC lasted more than 2. And yeah I pulled that 80% out of my ass, but seriously, it felt like 100%. Also Vick is unquestionably a savvy veteran in the offensive system we were running in 2014. I didn't say elite, I said savvy. Whoa . Really?

Look at scoring defense, that's the key stat. If you dominate 80% of the snaps, but give up a few key 1st downs and scores your impressive stats don't equal owns. Also look at the lack of defensive turnovers and scoring. And agreed, this is just my options, I don't claim to be an expert. Just how one Jets fan saw things.

With everything I wrote and everyone else commented on here.... This is a VERY true statement. It is the main factor for success. But it's no the end all be all. Look at the Chargers and Falcons. They are sitting home watching the playoffs just like Jets and Bills fans.

I think Leonhard is way more of a Pettine guy. Worked with him on 4 different teams. Be suprprised if he doesn't stay with Cleveland. There were fans that were loyal to the end with Rex... but you couldn't find ONE that wanted a change after 4 years with no playoff birth and a 4-12 season???? There were fans that were loyal to the end with Rex... but you couldn't find ONE that wanted a change after 4 years with no playoff birth and a 4-12 season???? The power structure was standard as far as I know. Woody pretty much stays out of things, but he says he's going to start to be more involved ... which is scary. When I say a HC has to be a CEO I mean when it comes to the depth chart and accountability. If you QB is missing meeting, the night before a blow out loss, and then flipping fans off afterwards usually the GM is not the one to hand out discipline. But I am not implying that Rex made free agent moves or the final call on draft picks. But on defensive rookies I do believe he had huge influence. Question: should the Jets sign Fitzpatrick now that we have Gailey? I didn't follow their time together in Buffalo that closely. If we bring in a rookie we will need a veteran stop gap, and Fitz kind of fits the bill. I'd he worth it? Great point! I wonder if Belichick and Carroll benefited from taking time away from being NFL HC's however. Rex isn't taking much time to reflect by jumping back in with no break. I heard an interview with Mike Westoff here in NYC and he talked about a convo he had with Rex about a week ago. He said Rex is very aware this could be it for him if it doesn't work out, and also that he is really focused on learning from past mistakes. So that's a big positive You don't think guaranteeing the playoffs was a bit over the top? Agreed

The Jets defenses in 09' and 10' were pretty stacked with talent. I was disappointed to see the defense that he inherited get worse year after year, especially with all of the draft picks that had Rex's finger prints. I don't know much about your GM, but the hope is that he will be far better than the idiots we had during Rex's time. It's odd to join a conversation, that you refuse to participate in, based on a post you refuse to read, while calling others least informed. I look forward to the spirited debates that you and I will enjoy on this board. In case it's not obvious that's sarcasm. Agreed and agreed. I hate Woody Johnson, but he's all we got. Thanks

I hear you on that. I was really struggling staying positive this year as a fan. I truthfully felt if we didn't clean house ... coach, GM, scouting department.... I was going to have to stop watching.... after 30 years as a fan. Woody Johnson is known for his "half measures". Demote the GM (Bradway) hire new coach and promote GM from within (Tannenabum). Fire coach, hire new coach but keep GM and offensive coordinator. Fire GM and OC, but keep HC. Sometimes you need to hit the reset button to change the losing culture. Once Rex and Idzik were gone I wanted Todd Bowles (wanted him since the end of 2013). I know him very well because we both went to the same high school. I also wanted Tom Gamble as GM. But I decided who ever was hired I would sign on 100% and stay positive. So the journey begins. At least I got my coach! I guess it's called guarded optimism

You make a good point about the conspiracy theory regarding Geno and who was making the call on starting him. I discussed this a lot on the Jets forum with fans who were defending Rex and blaming everything on Idzik. My question is this.... What high quality head coach would stand up in front of the media and say that starting Geno was an "organizational decision" the way Rex did??? Can you imagine Payton, McCarthy, Harbaugh, or any leader of a team passing the buck with that line? OR if he did accept that environment where he had no control of his depth chart thats even worse IMHO. As soon as someone cuts your balls off as a head coach you walk. The reason I think he did have final control of the depth chart is because Woody fired him. Our owner LOVED Rex, no way he fires him knowing Idzik not only gave him a crappy roster, but also wouldn't let him start who he wanted. It wouldn't make sense. Thanks! Was Marone unpopular before he walked? I thought most fans were happy with the direction the team was going in, and as I mentioned he made a very tough and smart decision with Orton & Manuel. I'm also curious if Buffalo fans are seriously thrilled about how he didn't even land a coordinator job after quitting, or is it a non-story

Thanks. I think the absolute best spot for Rex was Atlanta. But, I give your owner credit. He brought Rex in and never let him leave. I am interested in seeing Rex's defense with elite LB's. If you resign Hughes it could be crazy.

I think it boils down to what you consider Coples to be. He is listed as an OLB, but he is a DE. With Richardson, Coples, Wilkerson, Harrison as our main starters and Douzable& Ellis rotating in, I think they were the best group in the league. The stats in 2014 don't exactly support that but remember, we had ZERO talent in our secondary, even though our last 2 #1 overall picks were defensive backs. Your defense was much more complete, therefore your d-line looked better.

Funny that happens in Jetville as well. LOL we actually have fans who still want Geno to be the unchallenged starter in camp this year. I don't get it That lovely Kelly green!!!

Thanks. I know it may come across like a fan of a rival team trying to be negative about the Bills new coach. I am not a Rex fan but I like him, because he is genuine. I'd like to see him progress even though I also want the Jets to beat the bills... Obviously.

I'm new here, and I'm a Jets fan. I wanted to join this board because I interact with a lot of fans from other AFC East teams on Jetsnation.com and now that Rex is in Buffalo I thought it would be interesting to see how his 2nd shot at running the show goes. So here's my take on Rex, after 6 years of watching just about everything he did from his 1st "take a swipe at one of ours we will take a swipe at 2 of yours" press conference until his last day... a few short weeks ago. Jets fans were very split over Rex. Some diehard types signed on with Rex and never gave up on him. Others supported him when they were winning and started jumping ship somewhere around midway through the 2012 season. These days just about the whole fan base is focused on moving forward. I am not a Rex Ryan fan, I should be very transparent about that. I'm not a Rex basher, but from the day he was signed I asked the question "why did one of the best run organizations in pro sports pass him over for the HC position and go with some unknown special teams coach?" I'm referring to The Ravens choosing Harbaugh over Rex in 2008. This could have caused a mutiny because Rex was so beloved by those players. But Ozzy Newsome felt that a guy, who was with that team for almost a decade at that point, was missing something important. I wondered what that was back in January of 2009. I attended my first Rex Ryan practice in August of 09'. I was truly stunned at the pace and overall atmosphere. It was so casual. Rex walked around socializing with players and coaches, the drills that were being run were sloppy with zero intensity.... I was not panicked, but it seemed like something was missing. I liked that Rex decided to trust his gut and start Sanchez as a rookie. He was asked about the rocky road that may lie ahead by having a rookie starter and Rex gave the best answer I ever heard. He said "with Mark we aren't waiting on a mistake, we are waiting on a play". That quote is Rex Ryan. I was impressed with that approach and it really shows the good Rex brings to the table. He got a lot out of Mark those first two years because he has an optimistic outlook that really motivates everyone around him. I would say he's special in that way. So that's the positive about Rex. He believes, he motivates, and it's not an act. Trust me, this guy is the real deal, what you see is what you get. Now on to the bad Rex. The reason I feel he failed with my Jets is because of one main thing... he is a good department manager.... or in the NFL a coordinator. He does not have the qualities one would want to see in a CEO. A CEO, a high level executive who leads a billion dollar business, has no room in their life for loyalty. A CEO has to be cold, calculated, and always focused on the bottom line. For example, when John Harbaugh was told what happened in the elevator with Ray Rice he was the only one in the room with all of the top Ravens brass who said.... without hesitation, he needs to be cut. It's well known that Harbaugh and Rice had a very close relationship as player and coach. But the CEO mindset made it clear to Harbaugh that behavior like that couldn't be tolerated and I'm sure he was also worried about the backlash from the media. The owner of the Ravens and their legendary GM are pretty high level executives and even they admitted that Harbaugh was the only one who made that call from day 1. Rex does not favor competition, because of his loyalty. Over and over I would see him crown a guy a starter (at any position) and then just let the guy struggle... not just for weeks or months but for multiple seasons. My top 3 examples are Sanchez ( I won't say much about him, he was a disaster from early 2011 to the end of 2012, it's well documented) Eric Smith (safety) and the one and only Bart Scott. If you don't really follow the Jets you may not even know who Smith is. He was out starter for 3 years under Rex, and he was horrendous. He was a big hitter....and that was it. He missed tackles all over the field (week in and week out) and he couldnt cover the slowest tight end in the NFL. But he was a Rex guy, and he started like 40 plus games under Rex. Scott was the #1 guy Rex targeted when he left the Ravens. Rex and our GM were actually parked in front of Bart's house in Maryland on the night free agency started in 2009. The clock struck midnight and they rang his bell. That's how much Rex needed him. He was pure, hot garbage. He was given a ridiculous contract and never came near beating out David Harris for the starting ILB spot. Not only did he miss tackles in the most glorious fashion each week but he also drew the most idiotic penalties that cost us games. But, he was a big talker and Rex truly loved this guy. So he drained our salary cap and was a waste of space on our team for 4 years. This is how loyalty can hinder you as a CEO. What I saw with Rex as our coach (even in 2009 & 2010 when we had success) was a few definitive characteristics. Inexplicable presnap penalties and general confusion. The 12 men on the field thing happened at least 80% of the games Rex coached over his 6 years. We saw the defense give up huge plays at key moments routinely, even when they would dominate 80% of the snaps. Giving up long drives before half time was common. Offensively, turn overs... That's it, turn overs and horrible red zone effeciency. Remember we had 3 different OC's, 2 different highly drafted QB's and 2 different GM's. And the offense always seemed to have the same issues. Stubborn play calling and overall defensive system. Rex doesn't contour anything to the talent on the team. I also never saw any halftime adjustments. If we started out struggling running the ball. In the 2nd half, we ran the ball more. If we were getting beat with long passes because of aggressive blitzing, in the second half we kept bring 6 and 7 guys on the pass rush. Delusional praising of players. Just look at some of the post game pressers in 2014 alone. We'd lose by 20+ points and he would talk about how Richardson played just as hard in the 1st quarter as he did in the 4th. He may have registerd 2 tackles, zero sacks, zero passes batted down, and we gave up 100+ yards on the ground... But Rex wants to praise our defenses effort. Finally was the lack of accountability. You may have followed Geno Smiths nightmare season in 2014. You all had an underachiever of your own in Buffalo. But your situation was handled properly. When the season was still up for grabs you benched your #1 draft pick from the previous year. He wasn't getting it done so you went with the vet. Rex's approach with a young QB is what I call the "ride it to the wheels come off" method. He drove Geno into the ground, while letting a savvy seasoned vet sit on the bench and watch. He waited until 1-7 to pull the guy with the 2nd worst QBR in the league. He also did nothing when Geno flipped off the fans in our stadium after being heckled for a horrendous loss, and did nothing when he skipped a team meeting the night before a game. When the Seahwaks signed Mat Flynn as a free agent years back they gave him pretty decent money. I think he was getting 8 to 10 million that first year. They also drafted a 3rd rounder who was undersized and getting paid about $450,000. The underdog won the completion fair and square, and they are about to win their 2nd championship in 2 years ...and Flynn is a distance memory. Rex would have NEVER started Wilson. Even if Flynn went out and threw 20 INt's. That's a fact. Obviously as a a Jets fan I don't want to see the Bills or any other AFC team have success. But I honestly don't wish your team negativity with Rex. I hope he does hit the reset button and learn from the past. But keep in mind some of my observations after 6 years with him. If you see this same stuff happening it may be a red flag. So far I like the energy he's brought to Buffalo but I am pretty shocked with some of the offensive coaches he has brought with him from my Jets. Guys who have terrible track records. It feels like vintage Rex, but let's see the results before judging his decisions.

Any team in the same boat as the Jets and Bills... Teams that haven't had a franchise guy in many years... Should be trying to get this guy into their training camp. No stone unturned... That's how you find a Russell Wilson, Tony Romo, and dare I say.. Tom Brady. Manziel might be a bust, but right now he is an unknown with some unique physical skills. I hope the Jets have at least 4 legitimate contenders in camp this year.

You don't think our D-line is just as good? I don't know who we keep in 2015, but in 2014 I think the Jets had an equally effective line as the Bills and we had WAY more depth.

I think Watkins will prove to be just as productive as Beckhamand much more durable. He has the exact frame you want in a #1 wideout. I'm not saying Beckham isn't awesome, just saying if I had the choice for the Jets to have taken either one I still take Watkins. I also like Benjamin over OBJ. That's why I am not interested in Cooper with our #6 overall pick this year. He will be a game changer but a top 10 drafted WR has to be built like Julio Jones in my opinion. I need the complete package if I'm drafting that high. Watkins is the complete package.

I'm really excited about this particular hire, essentially my Jets and the bills swapped DL coaches.... and both of them are pretty darn good.