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Landry, Hurst or Payne, by far IMO.

There are 3 guys on the board I'd love the Bills to get right now.....

Shhh The doom and gloomers don't want to hear the reality of what teams like Seattle, Philly, LA have built around cheap young good QBs.

I didn't realize we wouldn't be able to add players in the 2019 draft or that the 2020 offseason won't happen.

I think the answer to why some posters think that is pretty obvious.

So now we target guys we hear the Patriots might like instead of doing our own research?

I was joking.

You know, other fan message boards would have had the Dolphins pick someone random, then let us have Rosen at #12. Only the Bills board could inflict enough harm on itself where we enact scenarios were two division rivals get top 4 QBs and we panic and take the 5th guy. For everyone who complained about the trade mock being unrealistic, this one blows it out of the water in that regard.

It was between him and Derwin James for my 49ers pick at 9.

My god, if Rosen goes at 11, we don't move up, and we take a space eating DT over Ward at 12 I don't think I can ever recover.

Ward is BPA by a mile IMO. I know people would flip at going corner here, but it's always a need.

Having done this exercise a couple times, it really feels like 6-7 is the inflection point for the final place to trade up for a QB. It goes to what Licht said about liking 7 guys likely to be available at pick 7. Realistically I think Chubb - Barkley - Nelson are the only guys teams could potentially favor over trading down, especially at pick 12.

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Denzel Ward would be a heck of a value pick and fill a need for the Dolphins here. Just saying.

Believe me, I researched Garoppolo's contract. If there was any sort of out clause after a year or two, Rosen would have been the pick, but with $75 mil guaranteed I could not have picked him and maintained any sort of integrity.

I'm not going to lie, I'm genuinely conflicted here. First I'm not sure I see the draft playing out remotely like this. Second, if it did, there's no way this pick isn't traded. The best position player on my board (by a gap) doesn't remotely fit the 49ers scheme, the best player overall on my board makes zero sense here and would ruin the integrity of this exercise. But for the sake of some integrity, the 49ers select: Derwin James, DB, Florida St. Mike Mayock's analysis: The 49ers run a cover 3 scheme similar to the Seahawks, as such long corners are required, which rules out Ward. As badly as the team wanted to take Rosen, it simply makes no sense. James versatility could potentially allow him to slot in as a long term successor to Richard Sherman, or in the "Cam Chancellor" role of the defense.

Don't even. That stopped my heart for a moment.

CB at 12 Rudolph at 22 RB at 53 LB at 56 Guard at 65 Now that's a Bills draft if I've ever seen one.

Completely agree. That's a factor that I think largely gets ignored by the pro Rudolph crowd. If we supposedly load up all in to get one of the QBs and we "Losman" the pick again, the kid is going to have zero rope with the fanbase. I just don't think we present an opportunity for Rudolph to be successful. IMO the only options for QB are a trade up for a top 4 guy, maybe Lamar if he fell to 22, or waiting until round 3-4 and going with McCarron, rookie QB, Peterman.

I don't agree that RBs like Johnson, Shady, Bell are a dime a dozen. I certainly think you can cobble together a backfield for situations like the Pats have had success doing. But the backs who do it all are few and far between. Personally, I think Johnson is the second best back in the league, since he's 26 he's exactly the type of guy you'd want to put in the backfield next to a rookie QB. Not to mention, trading him away and basically saying "we know we are going to be garbage" could, maybe would, lead to Larry Fitz retiring, then the Cardinals really would have nothing offensively.

I just don't think we have anywhere near the skill talent to allow Rudolph to be successful. Someone brought up Dalton, take out AJ Green and what is Dalton? Rudolph played with superior talent at Oklahoma St, Washington and Ateman are NFL WRs, in a conference notorious for a lack of defense and they still topped out as a 10-3 team that would get trounced in their one big game (Oklahoma) annually. I believe if put into the right situation, Rudolph has a chance to grow into a NFL stater. I do not believe we are the right situation and that's just not something you take a pick 22 (much less pick 12). If he goes somewhere like Pittsburgh, sits for a year or more, then succeeds with Antonio Brown and Leveon Bell there would be people here saying "I told you so" without the ability to understand the difference between the two situations.

The only trade I thought was questionable in Mock 1 was the Cardinals trading David Johnson to get up to get Baker. I just don't see him as a player who is anywhere near available for them. But for the purposes of the exercise it could have reasonably been considered they would trade their 2019 1st to move up and get the last QB.

It could be anything, due diligence, smoke screen, or the recognition that an avenue to acquire one of the top 4 QBs (or the one they really want) isn't available. It's been a roller coaster build up for sure, but my optimism on a move up is waning.

The recent visits to OBD (Smith, Ward, Vander Esch, Rudolph) have really got me feeling like a trade up isn't happening.