Chuck Wagon

I can completely buy that Chubb is the guy the Browns and Giants are jockeying to get. I've thought for a while the Giants - Darnold interest is smokescreen because the Giants want a non-Qb to drop and realistically the value on players and the depth of positions in this draft would nudge Chubb up as a clear #1. I think if Darnold is sitting at 2 we are coming in guns blazing on a deal to get him, the hold up on any deal with the Giants is almost certainly based upon Cleveland. If the Giants put the pick up, I have to believe we go get it, I just can't see letting another sure QB team trade there and risking QBs going 2-5 with us just watching it happen. There were rumors about the Browns being in love with Baker back in January and they dried up almost overnight. They could very likely look at it as they take Chubb 1 and know they are getting one of Darnold / Baker / Rosen at 3, letting someone else make the decision for them, because that would be the Browns thing to do. I just don't see the Giants during down 5-6 premium picks, the Browns sure, they have depth of picks, but the Giants desperately need a cheap young talent infusion across the roster. I think Beane isn't giving his best offer until he knows who is there, it wouldn't surprise me if we have the Giants price to say yes and the wait is here to pull the trigger.

Cameron Meredith would have been a nice under the radar target, the Bears allowed him to go to the Saints as a RFA.

Outside of Denver offering the ability for the Giants to still get Chubb or Barkley, no one realistically can beat our best offer. The Giants are going to let that clock tick and get what they really want.

I see some national media types and in this case executives pushing this narrative that after all we've done to build capital and all the scouting of QBs we are just going to sit on our hands and watch the Cardinals or Patriots trade in front of us and it really bothers me.

So basically Beane is buying the engagement ring and Gettleman is still dating other teams?

I was thinking hard about taking him, but decided there was more value in taking WR now and RB later.

With the 74th pick in the 2018 TSW NFL Mock Draft the San Francisco 49ers select: Anthony Miller, WR, Memphis 49ers paid the big money to Jimmy G. in the offseason, with picks 70 & 74 they are giving him some firepower. Goodwin posted a breakout season, but we are all aware of his durability and Garcon is going to be 32 before the season starts, so the 49ers double down and add two WRs at the top of round 3. Some needs weren't addressed (big RB, linebacker with Foster's legal situation, Oline depth) but all in all the 49ers walked away with a young DB who should be a day 1 starter and could potentially play corner in the cover 3 scheme with James, a young DL with pass rushing chops in Green to add into a line rotation with Solomon Thomas & Arik Armstead and two WRs to add some talent and depth to that position group. @RyanC883 and the Oakland Raiders are on the clock

We trade 12 / 53 / 56 for ~6 and get one of Rosen or Darnold We trade 22 (used on Lamar Jackson) to one of the Saints or Steelers for ~27 & ~91 We draft one of Hernandez / Daniels / Price / Wynn / Williams at ~27 One of Goedert / Gesicki / Hurst is available at 65 So we get a good young lineman to replace one of the Wood / Incognito holes and a rookie TE to grow with our QB as their security blanket. 5 more picks in the draft to use to find LBs, add another olineman, WR

With the 70th pick in the 2018 TSW NFL Mock Draft the San Francisco 49ers select: Dante Pettis, WR, Washington @Canadian Bills Fan is on the clock with the Broncos selection

I believe smokescreen. I think they view Eli as having plenty in the tank and the Mara's think very highly of him. Benching him last year basically got everyone involved in the decision fired. I just think they are going to go with a player that's going to help Eli succeed (Barkley).

All in for round 3

Ironic someone with a looney tunes avatar would post this.

It's a far cry from where we were a couple of years ago, but there's no guarantees anyone available in round 2 or 3 when we pick is going to walk in and start day 1.

Wouldn't it be something if this draft really defined the next decade plus in the division, Rosen (Bills) vs Baker (Jets) vs Jackson (Dolphins) vs Rudolph / Lauletta (Pats). In 1983 all 4 franchises took 1st round QBs....

I can live with Jackson if a trade up simply isn't possible. I don't see much difference in Rudolph vs Falk, Lauletta, Ferguson, White. There's simply going to be too much talent on the board at 12 and 22 to justify taking anyone from that group before our 2nd / 3rd round picks.

Completely agree. He's not #1 on my board. I wouldn't take him #1. But I don't think he's a clear #4 by miles like some seem to believe. Baker's play style (and frankly personality) give me as much pause as Allen does. Ultimately any of the 4 have more potential than any QB we've had in the building in decades.

Fair enough. So not the Bills, which could be why I'm not seeing much on him. I've admitted shut out some of the national media after the Cooks trade and all the Patriots fanboy news sources saying they are going to trade up but we aren't.

I don't get the board hatred of him at all. The detractors for Tyrod or Rosen claim they want a big QB with a big arm from a blue collar background who can relate to Buffalo. Allen is right out of central casting for that role. But then the same people who claim that's what they want in a QB call him a 4th round talent. It seems there's two clear camps on QBs on the board, either the people that love them some Baker or the people who think Rosen / Darnold are better prospects, leaving Allen without a "camp" and making him the whipping boy.

The thing that stands out with me is I'm not hearing much about Allen except for the Browns news. It seems Rosen / Darnold / Baker are all on whirlwind tours with teams. Unless I've just completely missed news on Allen, I haven't been seeing the same about him.

We are starting to get past the "smokescreen" period. This is starting to be the time where what you are hearing is rooted in truth. It was around this time last year you started to hear Trubinsky had distanced himself and Mahomes was going higher than people expected.

I'm waiting for the Browns to take Allen at 1 and Jackson at 12. I agree. I think Beane and Gettleman have been playing a game of chicken all offseason. Neither one has blinked so far. But if that card comes in for Allen at #1 it's going to get heated very quickly.

Dorsey sees Favre, Haley sees Big Ben, Haslam sees Wentz Right. They see the best "clay" to mold a QB with. He's a classic AFC North guy. If you are supremely confident in your ability to coach him up, I can't say I blame the pick, but Cleveland being the team that thinks they can mold him makes me very nervous.

My thought exactly. 12 / 22 / 65 for 4, we get Rosen. Browns can use some from their war chest to move up from 22 and get elite prospects at 12 and in the move up. We have all our 2019 picks and have a full draft this year for "holes".

That's how I see it, although I'm not ruling out the Browns taking Allen. Even if that did happen, I think it just shuffles some names around with the same general premise. Then the Colts / Bucs / Bears really hoping someone gives up a ransom to come get the last QB. I think 4 feels like a natural spot for us to move up, not risking Denver taking a QB at 5. The part that gets lost on people who say "Cleveland would have too many picks" is they know they can get an elite prospect at 12 and they could easily move up from 22 to get 2 high level prospects, basically making 4 vs the Bills package a 1 vs 2 proposition. 12 / 22 / 65 feels like a fair price, we overpay, but not criminally and we still have 2 2nds and don't touch next year.

I understand you like Baker, but IMO I think he might be the least likely guy we end up with. Either it's a lot of smoke or the Jets are taking him and if we move to 2 I'd be pretty surprised if he was the guy vs Darnold or Allen (or Rosen). I also understand concerns about Rosen in Buffalo, but from some of his comments it seems he views Brady as the target to climb over in his career and I think he would relish taking the division away from him. I guess I just differ on him from some posters, I think his intelligence and curious nature is something McBeane would love to have at the position. I see Rosen as cool, calm and collected, something our team would value highly over Baker's wearing his heart on his sleeve.