Chuck Wagon

Jameis is a pretty risky guy to decide he's the QB of your future.

Larry Fitzgerald to the Eagles or Saints While it's admirable he's played his entire career with the Cardinals, would like to see him get one more shot at a Super Bowl. Depending on how Fitzmagic goes tonight for the Bucs, I'd be seriously thinking about trading away Jameis and trading for Le'Veon for them. Lord knows we've seen the Fitzmagic show up close, but Jameis was teetering developmentally anyway and the off the field issues aren't going away, he seems like a very dangerous proposition to get stuck paying him $20+ mil a year as the face of your franchise. Tyrod (or even the above mentioned Jameis) to the 49ers. Without Jimmy G. It's going to be A LONG season for the 49ers. Tyrod at least gives them a prayer at being somewhat respectable and with Stanton in house the Browns don't need to keep Tyrod around.

I've got some oceanfront property here in Columbus to sell you.... They'll have the second most cap room in the league next season and 3 key expensive positions (QB / LT / CB) on very cheap deals. Need to add talent at some point.

Really feels like Jay Cutler without nearly the same arm. I have my share of skepticism with McBeane, though I think I understand their plan. I have absolutely no idea what Arizona (or Oakland for that matter) is trying to do.

Honestly it doesn't seem like Vontae ever ingrained himself with the team, some of the reaction seems a lot more on the "meh, we couldn't count on that guy, he wasn't bought in anyway" side. I think catching the Vikings in between a long Packers game and the Rams on a short week had more to do with success than being galvanized by Vontae. Also helps not to have one of your corners getting beaten like a drum.

His size and arm strength are going to give defenses a lot of problems. He's one of those guys in the Big Ben mold capable of keeping plays alive just because of his size and that arm can get the ball 50 yards downfield with no effort. Let's just hope McBeane sells out to get him the weapons he deserves now.

That's fine. You are entitled to your opinion. I'm entitled to mine. History says take a ~24 year old RB who has shown success in the league over a 30 year old one. Is it the line or is it Shady reaching the point where he's slowing down in his career? It will be tough to get an accurate read on that this year.

Bell Elliott Gurley David Johnson Kamara Fournette Melvin Gordon Barkley Kareem Hunt Joe Mixon McCaffery That's 11 names all arguably better than Shady, the top 5 clearly better than him IMO. That's not including names like Devonta Freeman, Jordan Howard, Dalvin Cook who are closer to Shady than some here would be willing to admit.

Yep. I think it's pretty obvious Minny overlooked us. They were coming off a long disappointing tie vs the Packers then facing a huge matchup with the Rams on a short week. They came out flat and the Bills came out inspired.

Bell is way better than Shady IMO. Shady is a fringe top 10 back in talent, Bell is a top 3 if not #1. Maybe that's splitting hairs in some people's opinion, but not mine.

Le'veon Bell....

Shady + 4th round pick for Le'Veon + 6th round pick

No kidding. Allen (plus Tre White) has shown enough to bring fans off the Mahomes / Watson ledge. But Bears fans, with basically the same offense that's making Mahomes look like the MVP and that defense. Yeesh.

Right now Mahomes, but the talent he has vs the talent Allen has around him is completely incomparable.

The Ringer has been making fun of the Bills nonstop for the last 6 weeks. I think yesterday's game cost several of their staff members a sizeable portion in gambling.

Outside of what Haskins is doing at OSU, every one of the “2019 draft QBs” had put enough on tape to go out last year. There’s a reason they all went back to school, they would have been no higher than the 5th QB off the board. People had been drooling over Darnold / Rosen / Allen for 2 years. Baker (rightfully) forced his way into the conversation. This was the year to grab a QB and it looks like there’s a chance we got one.

I do wonder about the "Deshone Kizer" potential of Allen. If he looks lost and is turning the ball over constantly, meanwhile a "no doubt" QB pops (like the guy wearing #7 for OSU...) you take the QB at one. Realistically, assuming all holds and Allen shows enough to move forward with him (big assumption), the best case scenario would be the team at #3 (Giants?) giving a haul to get the QB they like, then taking whoever is there at 3 between Bosa and Oliver.

I think they had decided on Mayfield way back in January.

On the spread? Yeeeesh Moneyline would be one thing....

Yep. Trubisky looks like his head is swimming. Once he gets past the scripted (and practiced) plays at the beginning of the game he seems like there's too much going on at one time. It's tough to judge the two, Trub has a legitimate defense that should have them at 2-0 while Allen has mainly played in garbage time, but for being year two, I'd be pretty nervous is Trub was my guy.

Let's be real here. The Jets lost their top corner early and their other DBs were beaten like a drum all game long. Tyrod hits a couple throws downfield he missed badly and there's no comeback needed. Baker does look legit though, he's got an absolute cannon and accurate too. But the WRs didn't suddenly start getting open when he came in, they were open all night long. Browns D though, they are going to cause problems. I'm curious how long that line is going to let Baker survive, Tyrod made it 2.5 games, Baker took a couple of shots and the Browns got really lucky on some bounces with loose balls. Agree with this. His kicker cost him two games and was apparently playing through injury. Hard Knocks and game management have shown Hue is a clown. Watch a lot of football on Sundays and it's amazing how many games come down to a good coach managing the game and a clutch kicker. I know where I stand on the former, the new Browns kicker certainly wasn't striping his attempts down the middle last night.

Reid is the finished version of what they drafted Siran Neal to be. I think he'd be a very nice fit, especially in nickle packages with Hyde / Poyer and allow Hyde to be the "nickle". But I'm sure McD is afraid he would cause massive upheaval in the locker room due to independent thought, so that isn't happening.

I agree with that completely. It felt like Ralph couldn't give away a NFL GM / Head coaching job. We were badly overpaying nobodies in both extensions and FA and putting Trent freaking Edwards in a wide open spread offense. I THINK McBeane has a plan, flush out guys who were expensive/not difference makers/aging out of the window. Reset around a cheap young QB / LT / CB / MLB. Open up a ton of cap space and add an influx of talent in their primes in FA. Ride a conservative gameplan, play defense first football and run the ball. I think two things happened that threw the plan off. First was Wood's medical retirement / Richie's freakout. That wrecked the oline. We were committed to getting a young "franchise" QB and lacked the draft resources to shore up the imploded Oline. Second was underestimating Preston Brown / overestimating Edmunds. When the heart of both your offense and defense is rookies, you are going to lose a lot.

The Browns have a 15 year drought of their own. Lets not pretend they were clicking along as a playoff team then hit the reset button. That being said, I don't know that "it felt better" is the right way to put it, but most of the last 17 years the Bills were pretty much irrelevant while the Browns were the butt of jokes. That's the number one thing that seems to have flipped recently. We've replaced the Browns as the butt of jokes now, it's making last years playoff run feel like it was 5 years ago already and constant Bills jokes have nearly ruined several podcasts I usually enjoy. Basically I'd rather be irrelevant than mocked. 17 years of 8-8 gets you ignored, 2 years of 1-31 gets you laughed at.

I completely agree with this. Now that the NFL has stopped punishing teams by making them give top draft picks outrageous contracts, I think it's absolutely a viable strategy to completely bottom out for two years, add two loaded draft classes, flush out your cap from overpaid players who won't be around when you are good, aggressively add talent in FA and load up a team around a QB on a rookie deal. The Eagles didn't completely bottom out but they've been able to add a ton of talent around Wentz due to his cheap contract. The Seahawks were one of the first to do it when Wilson was cheap. The Rams are enjoying the the fruits now and the Browns have positioned themselves for a similar run. That's my hope of what McBeane is trying to accomplish. The Star contract seems to fly in the face of that type of plan though...