Chuck Wagon

Jimmy is just changing the colors so all of his Tennessee gear can pass as Browns stuff. And yes, there's not a doubt in my mind he changed the Orange just for that reason. The Browns are going to end up looking like the 80s Bucs with Buccaneer Bruce nowhere to be found.

I like Tannehill more than Kaep / RG3 / Cutler / Bradford Did you forget about Stafford or just not a fan?

Modified Wildcat Split Woods all the way to the sideline on the wide part of the field and have him run a 9 route Put Harvin / Shady in the shotgun, with Felton in a pistol/fullback position Put Sammy in the slot with Clay on the line Run zone read with Percy taking the snap, Shady as the mesh point option and Sammy running as the pitch man on the option. Who needs a QB?

I'm well aware Peyton had a run in while in college. He didn't follow it up with two more events in short order. You act like everything he's done is media concoction, there are A LOT of high profile QBs who haven't made headlines for actual things they've done. People aren't making up shoplifting or shouting vulgarities in a public setting. For a normal kid you'd say he's just being a kid, but for a franchise QB they are held to a higher standard. Put them in any proportion you want, they still scream immaturity. I'm not the ignorant one here. I get it, you 100% buy into Jameis. There's only 1 QB prospect I've bought into 100% over the last 15 years and it's the one who had the maturity to stay an extra year at Stanford and get his degree when he could have been the slam dunk 1st overall pick. Jameis is striking the first chance he gets. Maturity is extremely important for the QB position. He hasn't shown it, regardless of what he's said in some interviews. Oh I would take him too if I actually had the pick, but I'd likely wake up in a cold sweat checking Twitter and ESPN every single night.

Are these writers really that clueless to take everything Whaley says at face value? He's been playing up the QB prospects and doing everything short of saying "Oh yeah, we are totally 100% for sure taking a QB on day 2" while he's also basically been saying "Oh, we are very happy with our line, I don't know why we'd ever take a lineman in this draft."

Momma always said stupid is as stupid does. Peyton, Eli, Rodgers, Luck they can all be pretty funny guys. But they aren't being accused of rape, stealing crab legs or yelling vulgarities in the student union. You can say all you want about how they are all little incidents that get overblown, but they all show a complete lack of self awareness. Just like Johnny. Bad guys have succeeded in the NFL at QB. I wouldn't trust my unborn daughter being in a room alone with Ben Roethlisberger if she were 20 years old. It could be nothing and we could be watching Jamies's HOF speech in 20 years. Or it could be something. Jameis is in my personal "Tyson Zone". There is not one headline I could see about him that would shock me. Now, you can defend a kid that you've never met all you want because he's saying all the right things when the lights are on, but do you 100% trust the kid you are going to put on all of your team's marketing isn't going to be showing up in a TMZ story in a month? He's got all the physical tools. The concepts he was running in college are well beyond the type of things Mariota or Petty were doing. But to not have any questions about his character and just blow everything off as "boys will be boys" is pretty naive.

But the Jets players still held Rex in high regard. His bluster can get old, but right now it's so refreshing after having St. Doug basically call everyone garbage and view the job as below himself. I don't think Rex will have a problem getting buy in from the team, it seems like everyone has massive chips on their shoulders, even guys they brought in like McCoy and Harvin who've proven their abilities elsewhere.

Here are two recent examples from Kiper. In January of 2010 he mocked us to be taking Jimmy Clausen @ #9. Now we all know we didn't draft Jimmy Clausen at #9 and he didn't actually go until pick #48. In January of 2011 he mocked Da'Quan Bowers to the Bengals at pick #4. Bowers actually went to the Bucs at pick #51. Now what happened here? These are some extreme swings in player value. Did Jimmy and Da'Quan start running down grandmas in walmart parking lots a month before the draft? Did teams discover they were actually dealing drugs? Or did Mel Kiper not have a clue what he was talking about?

I think there's a fundamental lack of understanding of the process with some fans. Teams have been scouting these players for a couple of seasons and actively scouting them for the last year. These players are not wildly fluctuating on a teams draft board based upon what they do in their underwear. Teams are not making their scouting reports public. Independent of that process, draft "experts" are presenting information based upon their draft evaluations and creating their own draft boards. They are not doing this with the level of advanced scouting teams put in and are not privy to the standards teams use to rank their boards. People like McShay & Kiper start presenting big boards for the next season almost immediately after the draft is completed. Teams don't say a word about prospects all fall, yet the "gurus" are constantly tweaking their boards. Information does start coming out around the combine, though many savy teams use the media to spread misinformation. Once the information starts coming from teams, an "expert" will move the players around based upon the information they receive. Realistically, Kiper and McShay don't know any more than the rest of us would if we didn't have real jobs and had all the time we wanted to watch college games and make our own databases. Kiper has been doing this for decades, if he had a respected opinion or an added level of insight some team would have made him an offer he couldn't refuse by this point. ESPN isn't paying more than a NFL team would if they believed there was a competitive edge to be gained. Don't confuse "experts" refining their guesses once they start getting answers provided to them as wild player fluctuations on team draft boards based upon workouts.

Whaley has shown no hesitation to move around the board in each of the last few drafts. If the right offer is on the table and the value isn't there with the available players, I don't think he would hesitate to move down to pick up a 3rd/4th or a future pick.

I can see how people can get past the supposed rape, it's a "she said / he said" situation and there's unsubstantiated rumors floating around that she tried to blackmail him. I can't get past stealing the crab legs or yelling on top of the table in the student union. You are the reigning Heisman winner and national champ. You've already got everyone's eyes on you from the situation with the girl and you have to know you are under the microscope. There's no explanation that makes me comfortable using the #1 pick and handing my franchise to a kid with both of those incidents less than a year ago. Johnny said and did all the right things leading up to the draft. These guys are being coached at every turn by agents and being held out of situations that could put them in trouble. But you are the person you are when the door is closed. As soon as the card was turned in, Johnny confirmed all of the worst fears about him. I have a real hard time believing Jameis has turned any corner when his behavior hasn't cost him anything of substance.

Yet everyone is ready to give up on Cyrus because he didn't make that switch well last year as a 20 year old rookie.

He's going to have to wait for the Vets committee. It's been too long and there's too many recent flashy guys stacked up now. He's one of my all time favorites and one of the very best at what he did, but he's not getting in over guys like Cris Carter, who had to wait a few years himself.

I really wonder how much of a factor that could be and if he's done any long term damage. Russell Wilson played baseball all through college, but I don't believe he was a pitcher. Historically Elway was a very good baseball player and a high pick by the Yankees. Todd Helton was Peyton's backup at Tennessee but never had any problems in the bigs. I'm sure there were other successful QBs who pitched growing up/in high school.

They should pair McCoy with Leonard Williams, build up their Oline and grab one of Petty / Grayson / Hundley / Mannion to fight for the job with Glennon. They are going to be garbage next year anyway and will again find themselves in position to take a top QB prospect, only this time without the red flags.

Pretty sure I read the Ravens offered Taylor more than we did but he came because he wanted to compete for the job.

So as effective as Aaron Maybin.

I should have clarified. They beat teams that were ranked when they played, but in mid November there was a span where none of FSU's wins were ranked.

He didn't play in the Clemson game. The backup couldn't get them out of his shadow but Clemson choked the game away. He looked bad for half of Louisville, they ended the season on a run (got ranked after "upsetting" Notre Dame) but got stomped by Georgia in their bowl game. It was mid November (before Louisville beat Notre Dame and Clemson beat South Carolina) that no one Florida St had beat was ranked at that time.

I agree it was, but let's stop the idea he dragged the equivalent talent of Rutgers through a nightmare schedule. He took a team full of blue chips through a weak conference then got slapped when they played a real team. Didn't they lack a win over a ranked team until beating Georgia Tech in the ACC Title game? Johnny was a model citizen and said all the right things during the same timeframe until the card came in and he came out flashing the money sign.

I agree. I think Cassel / Taylor are their additions. Play up Grayson, Petty & co. in hopes a team picking above us who has rabbit ears will make the move. I think one of our picks will go to guard and one will be BPA, the others will be lucky to get above the PS.

Both have a sense of entitlement. Both were tremendously successful in college. Both got into and out of trouble with no real consequences. There are plenty of parallels.

I'm really curious what NFL players think of Jameis. Judging from the Bengals game, it looked like guys legitimately hate Johnny. I wonder if Jameis would elicit as much vitriol.

If it's my dream schedule, we are playing Miami in Buffalo in December.

This year Winston played with a below average offense compared to the prior year. He elevated that team. Without him the Seminole's would n't be ranked in the top 20. He made a big difference because he knows how to play. For me if he was available I would take him. The ACC/Florida St.'s schedule was a joke this year. With just a few exceptions almost every player on their offensive two deep would have started on the team they were playing against. It's not like he carried Vanderbilt through the SEC West.