Chuck Wagon

Vikings should be trying to trade for Joe Thomas, not Shady McCoy.

Sure, one of us could also win the lottery. But the odds are against it, these highly educated young bright minds are all about playing the odds.

Control with Brandon isn't the main issue. There's a reason all these guys are staying put in winning organizations, they aren't on the clock for a 3-5 year turn around project. As much as the NFL wants to say there's parity, the gap between successful organizations and losing ones continues to grow wider every year. These up and coming GM candidates are highly educated individuals who understand the task they are up against when taking on an organization like ours, it's simply a risk/reward that is not worth taking. It's much better for your professional life (and family life) to stay in a winning organization, bide your time and hope to get the top job than to take on a tire fire organization, get fired in 5 years and end up scrambling to get anywhere near the job they left originally.

That's the way I'm leaning. The NFL loves ratings and storylines. No, I don't think it's the WWE by any measure, but given the amount of money involved with major professional sports and the rampant corruption with other major sports bodies such as FIFA and the IOC, to believe there's no amount of corruption or shady dealings whatsoever is about on par with believing in the tooth fairy IMO.

I've been leaning towards that conclusion for several seasons now. Just in the past two weeks the Broncos got away with repeated head shots on Cam during their "Super Bowl Celebration" game and the Seahawks got buried under penalty flags against the Rams in the "welcome to LA" game.

He ran the Browns into the ground. Hiring unemployed execs who the game has passed by is not the answer.

So they are changing the color of the lipstick on the pig?

We run more TE screens than the rest of the league combined, what do you mean not utilize Clay? He's not the type of guy who can stretch the seam vertically and create size mismatches on safeties, you know, like a real TE is supposed to do.

I don't think it's jumping the gun on Rex at all. The team is undisciplined, the penalties are ridiculous and kill any momentum. He's also doing a poor job utilizing our talent. He inherited a top 5 defensive team, his first move was to get rid of the defensive coordinator and institute his defense, which did not fit our personnel at all. He brought Roman in, who wants to play power football with a highly paid sports car running back. I thought the first series summed up Rex in a nutshell. Hughes sacked Fitz on 3rd and long, but a defensive holding penalty gave the Jets a first down. Rex challenged an ultimately meaningless catch/no catch (keep in mind, a coach has only 2 challenges, 3 if he's 2-0) to make it 3rd & 9 instead of 3rd & 4, but because Gilmore couldn't tackle we gave up the first down anyway. A coach has to put his personnel in the best position to succeed, he needs to be able to manage the game, know the proper time to use his timeouts and challenges and get his team ready to play. In just 20 months, he's put both the offensive and defensive personnel in schemes that don't fit them, made major errors when it comes to challenges (the KC game first and foremost) and had the team come out flat several times. What more do people need to see?

Trade Tyrod. We probably need to wait for a QB to get hurt to have this option and I admittedly don't know the salary cap ramifications with his new contract, but the Eagles just got a 1st and a 4th for Sam Freaking Bradford, even an extra 2nd would go a long way towards our needed reset. The only potential option I currently see would maybe be San Fran if Chip likes Tyrod for his scheme. The Rams would be another potential nice option, but they are already down their 1st and 3rd in the '17 draft for the Goff trade. Injuries happen in the league, there's better than zero odds someone who thinks they are are playoff team will have a guy go down and put them in a bad spot. Trade Shady. In today's day & age, I really don't know who would give up an asset for a guy like Shady (looking right at you Doug). Oakland is supposedly down on Latavius with 2 unproven guys behind him, they might sacrifice something for Shady. Trade Meatball & Aaron Williams. This is more doing right by them than worrying about what we get back, but we aren't likely to win anything during their usable career years, may as well get something while we can. Trade Gilmore. He needs paid, last night he showed he's not worth it, he still has a high reputation around the league, get what we can for him at this point. I'd say trade Cog & Wood, but I don't know that they would have any value and it wouldn't hurt to have them helping Cordy & John Miller. Tank the rest of the year. We currently have a double edged sword, our guys getting paid big money aren't good enough to make us a playoff team, but because we are paying that money we don't have the depth we had 2 years ago. We need to load up on draft picks while still keeping a usable youngish core of Sammy / Cordy / Dareus / Hughes / Lawson / Ragland / Preston / Darby (so don't go total Browns-76ers dump off). Hire the best young coach we can find. I really like Matt Patricia but understand the trepidation on Pats assistants. But take the approach of Oakland and Jacksonville, no quick fixes, load up on draft picks, allow young guys to play and learn and ultimately find out who can play and who can't. No playoff mandates from ownership, develop the vision of a long term approach and do it right.

The Jets traded a 5th round pick for Brandon Marshall, we used ours on Karlos Williams. Marshall would change the complexion of the entire offense, giving us a big guy who can move the chains and be a red zone threat while Sammy is freed up on the other side. Though Roman would still run some high school BS offense and allow the defense to jam the box on Tyrod & Shady with tight formations.

I would love to see them trade Tyrod / Shady / Meatball (he's been through enough and deserves better) / Aaron Williams (he's not going to hold up, send him to a winner) / Gilmore (not worth his contract demands) before the deadline and load up on draft picks. Let EJ play out the year at QB with Gillislee & Jonathan Williams at RB. Take Watson or Kizer, hire a real coach, get Lawson & Ragland healthy and reload the roster on drafted players, resetting the salary cap with the exception of Glenn & Dareus. We loaded up to make the playoffs two years ago and then pushed all in last year. We came up bust. Now we are short on cheap good young players and long on guys getting paid who clearly aren't good enough to get us anywhere. It sucks to reset into another 3-4 year cycle, but that's where we have found ourselves.

I think we'll be 2-7 at the bye and have an interim coach coming out of it.

I thought 6-10 before the season, but thought last night was a game they would win and week 1 was a game they could win. Now, 3-13. Despite what some people want to believe, the Ravens are not a good football team. Last night's loss was deceptive, we got drilled but the Jets secondary played like garbage and we had a scoop and score bounce our way. This is a bad bad football team, we can't move the sticks and sustain drives, we don't have a pass rush to speak of and our corners are being hung out to dry with no help.

Tank! Tank! Tank! If they lose tonight I don't see how they go better than 4-12

That article feels like a used car salesman telling you to ignore that the car doesn't have an engine or wheels because the cupholders are great and the stereo system is loud.

Bingo But it's double edged sword for a market like Buffalo. If fans sell out the stadium, ownership never has a fire under it to improve the product. If they don't go, the city will be deemed not viable and the team will move.

Reuben Brown is pretty tempting, swing Incognito over to RG and be very solid in 4 of the 5 oline spots.

I like Patricia, but I think he might be the Pats coach in waiting. I also understand the trepidation about New England assistants and the desire to bring in an offensive minded coach.

I would not think twice about trading the Bills roster for Tampa's and despite their shortcomings in several key areas I'd much rather take my chances putting pieces around Luck on the Colts roster than trying to find the next Luck. I also have a tough time saying Houston isn't clearly more talented than us. We have some nice pieces, Watkins / Glenn / Dareus / Hughes / Gilmore / Darby can certainly be the backbone of a very good team. Who knows what we have with Lawson and Ragland. But the coaching staff has to go and I think we should seriously consider putting guys like Kyle Williams / Incognito / Aaron Williams / Wood on the trade block as I'm not convinced they'll be around if we ever get moving in the right direction.

Throw stuff against the wall and hope something sticks isn't a strategy?

Last year we were one of the trendy teams. We made anyone who believed look dumb. The "who is next" crowd has moved on the Oakland and Jacksonville, one or both is very likely to fall flat on their faces while someone is going to surprise.

I'm also expecting Clay / Shady / Bush to line up as the "3rd WR" plenty. I ultimately think Shady will be 2nd on the team in targets with Woods 3rd. Hypothetically we could look like a 4 WR team with our base package, putting Clay & Shady in the slots with Gronk back as the protector/dump off back.

Ravens - W Jets - L Cardinals - L Patriots - L Rams - L 49ers- W Dolphins- W Patriots - L Seahawks - L Bengals - L Jaguars - W Raiders - L Steelers - L Browns - W Dolphins - L Jets - W 6-10

The title of the thread should be the "I've heard of him All Stars".