Chuck Wagon

Your guess is as good as mine as to why we signed him. Unless it's a straight up minimum deal (which would be surprising on FA day 1), it's a waste of money. Seems like we went hard after Wagner, didn't get him, then scrambled to get the other guy Castillo knew. He was a street free agent from Sept 3rd to Oct 11 last year.

Thomas - Bitonio - Tretter - Zeitler - ????? (Erving / Coleman) is a pretty nice oline. Browns have the money to burn and FA guards have usually been a good investment. They can swing Bitonio to RT and play Greco at guard if they decide to go that way too. I've always been a doubter, because, Browns, but if they can find any sort of decent QB they are going to make our years of wandering in the wilderness look pretty sad.

Pryor appears to be going back to Cleveland. Titans were projected to blow Hightower away among other teams. Jeffery appears to be going to the Eagles. Unless someone has better information, I don't see any rumors with us and anyone else out there right now, we are probably waiting for the market to cool down to sign a handful of warm bodies at need positions with the hope that some hit.

Yes

Not many rumors coming out about us pursuing guys today.

If the Browns get Tretter and Zeitler and swing a trade for Cousins or Jimmy G. they could look pretty interesting pretty quick. Garrett with Collins / Ogbah / Shelton, they are starting to stack up some good guys in that front 7.

Pryor is not the type of person to commit that money to with our locker room.

They got early draft picks for Collins and Jones, they got a draft pick for Seymor, heck, they got a second round pick for Cassel. They replaced Talib with Revis, literally every other guy you mentioned was at the end of his career. You really want to use them as an example of letting good players walk for nothing in their primes?

Sure, but it would be nice to trade them for future value instead of letting them walk or washing out the comp picks by having FA "depth".

They are rebuilding correctly. Bottom out to land your QB, invest heavily in the oline and running game to help him develop and keep him upright, clear out cap room to make impact defensive signings when you are ready to turn the corner.

A lot of players are agreeing to deals for FA not having started yet.

If we are, we are really bad at it.

Alshon yes, though his injury history is concerning. I really really hope we aren't the franchise to give Pryor $50 mil.

If we are we're bad at that too.

I think the only 2 guys left that would qualify as a "splash" are Jeffery and Hightower. God help me if this franchise tries to sell Riley Reiff or Jared Cook as a splash.

It's really tough when attempts to have intelligent football conversation get drowned out by "Can't tackle, not worth it".

Sign Jeffery and Hightower. Anyone who says we don't have the cap space to do it can shut it.

Fair enough, but there's no denying there's a human element and inherent biases that come into play on their evaluations.

I really don't understand how PFF can look at those numbers and give one a 88 grade and the other a 73.

I'm sure it can be, but as a said previously, using that list to find his replacement means we'll have to bypass another badly needed position. It would be one thing if the money was going to Wagner to solidify RT and Tony Jefferson to solidify safety, but it's going to kickers and fullbacks instead.

We signed a handful of guys no one cares about, no, I'm not impressed by the ability to keep signing DiMarco, Hauska, Tolbert and Ducase quiet.

I would love to know how people are going to use our 3 picks in the top 155 to get a QB to groom, a WR- 2, a day 1 starting corner, 2 safeties to replace Williams & Graham long term, a linebacker that fits McD's scheme and a RT. The answer in every single FA thread is "the draft is loaded at that position", but we've proven ourselves to be one of the worst franchises at building draft pick capital and we simply don't have enough to it to fill every hole. Losing Gilmore opened up another one. We used cap space that easily could have retained him to fill luxury positions that are usually filled by undrafted players. How people are rationalizing this over his inability to tackle (its a corner, who cares) or willingness to pay him $12 mil but not $14 is amazing.

We should start keeping a log of all the posters smarter than Bill Belichick.