Chuck Wagon

We have Sammy coming up for a big contract soon, did anyone really expect Whaley to buy a big time FA WR when guys like Britt, Stills, Woods & Pryor are getting $8 mil?

Hightower hasn't signed anywhere either. Linebacker isn't a "premier" position where someone is going to blow a 2nd tier guy away just to make sure they get him, it's very possible Zach is waiting to see if Hightower can set the market for him.

Others have made the comparisons to Ragland and they fit. I would like it in the sense he can take Ragland under his wing and help him develop, but the scheme fit isn't great, especially for the price. I think you could do some interesting things formationally in a dime with Lawson - Dareus - Hughes and Hightower / Ragland filling the ILB gaps between the 3 down linemen, perfect for some zone blitz schemes, but that's not the type of defense we are setting up to run.

That's my question, is he an end or a linebacker in McD's scheme? He seems pretty small for an end but I'm not sure he's got the speed to play linebacker in this scheme. Worst case we overpaid a good locker room, special teams, situational player. Best case the pass rushing chops hold up and we've got a nice value at a needed position.

I agree with this. Cooks is a fine player, but certainly not a game breaker. The Saints had no hesitation sending him out of town as soon as they got the value they wanted.

Someone who'll be kind of good, but the fans won't like because they won't smile big enough when drafted and will end up missing 30% of his rookie deal due to injury before we'll ultimately let them walk or vastly overpay to retain.

Please hire Kiper, that would be extremely entertaining.

Vikings really churning that line, adding Remmers and Reiff, though I think both are better suited at RT.

If anyone is holding their breath on a "big" move coming for us, TJ Lang to play RT or Donta Hightower are about the only two "big" pieces left. I think Doug is going to use our remaining cap space to sign a whole bunch of guys around $1-$3 mil on short term deals to fill up the roster hoping some of them can shine.

The only two guys left I'd say qualify as a "big" move would be TJ Lang to play RT or Hightower, though he doesn't really fit McD's scheme. Possibility we are getting ready to pay big for guys like Lorax, Zach Brown or a guy like Claiborne, but I really hope we aren't.

Not much out there in FA, basically it looks like the ghost of Bills safeties past at this point.

He's like Clay, but worse. Not the type of guy we need.

The most important ability is availability, Sammy has to put himself in position to succeed as well.

I could see them bringing in Cutler or Kaepernick on a short low risk deal and taking a QB early in the draft to put along with Savage. The longer this drags out, the more interesting it seems. I'd throw our 3rd rounder at them if they don't have a better offer, they can say all they want about doing what's best for Romo, but at some point it becomes a business decision, if Houston and Denver aren't willing to go higher, get in the game. Get Romo for our 3rd, use #10 on a WR and suddenly our offense gets much more interesting. We have the running game to help him out, a strong oline and a capable backup in Tyrod. Tyrod's contract makes it so he'd be a pricey insurance policy, but Romo + Tyrod is still in line with what the Redskins are paying just to Cousins.

1) Cleveland was 7-9 in 2014, this is year 2 of their current regime's tear down. Whaley is essentially an extension of Nix, who along with Brandon have been in control of this organization for 8 years now. 2) Atlanta, Carolina, Detroit all bottomed out and drafted franchise QBs in the first 3 picks of drafts. 3) Dallas bottomed out 2 years ago, then rode a rookie RB and a rookie QB back to the playoffs 4) Denver was the second worst team in football (the year the Panthers were the worst) and took Von Miller, who has been their cornerstone player, right before we got Dareus (in a year we could have stayed at the bottom and gotten Cam but we had some pointless feel good wins). 5) Miami has picked near the top of the draft several times So in summation, literally every single one of your examples of teams who "haven't done complete tear downs" have picked higher in the draft than us at some point in the past 6 years.

Another great example. A "rebuild" isn't a 5 year process. But it is a commitment to a path we haven't showing a willingness to walk down.

What results from the past 20 years do we have to fall back on in regards to this franchise knowing what it's doing? We've put in plenty of faith and trust. I think we are more than entitled to be angry at this point.

Thats what gets me about these Browns doubters. The Browns are doing almost exactly what the Raiders did, only to an extreme the Raiders didn't quite reach. When McKenzie took over he flushed all the bad contracts out of Oakland in one offseason, completely reset their cap, moved down in the Dion Jordan draft to accumulate draft assets, spent heavily in FA to build an offensive line, landed a franchise pass rusher and a franchise QB in the same draft haul and are now the next "it" team. People don't realize the Browns aren't reinventing the game, they are taking what Oakland did to finally reverse the cycle only built even more draft capital to rebuild on. There were plenty of people who made fun of Oakland's process and many of the same people who think the Browns are dumb while they continue to blindly support our carousel of mediocrity.

I think the direction of the Bills is clear, Brandon and Whaley want to keep cashing those checks. I do think we'll see a complete overhaul very soon, especially if what the Browns are doing actually works, Pegula might be new to the game, but he's not going to put up with the same results much longer. I wouldn't expect a total rebuild is something Whaley would be around to oversee.

Right, so we are pushing all in on a 7 or 8 win team at best, 9 or 10 if EVERYTHING breaks right. We've been pushing all in for nearly half a decade now and the bottom of our roster is really showing the results. Injuries are inevitable in this game. It's frankly unacceptable to enter an offseason with 20-25 roster spots needing to be filled AND be cap restricted while doing it. No well run organization would allow themselves to get to that point. Just one year of having an accurate assessment of where we stand could set us up dramatically better for the future moving forward.

LT - Kujo LG - Richie C - Wood RG - Miller RT - Glenn That is the best offensive line formation we have available at this point in time, FA and draft included, short of Vollmer having something left in the tank to play RT. We will not find a player in the draft who is better than Kujo (at LT) or Cordy at either position, nor should be allocate high resources to try given our other needs. The olinemen flew out of FA, you can't arbitrarily throw out "Look in FA" without giving specific available players we can consider. I really don't care what some people say about the importance of LT, a lot of people in this world are idiots. Kujo has shown himself to be a very passable to good player at LT and Cordy would expect to be the best RT in football. Kujo is a much better LT than RT given his limitations. It's for one season before we can reevaluate our options. The difference between Cordy at RT vs any other available option is huge compared to the difference of Cordy or Kujo at LT, which is not that big, that is how we are improving oline play.

In one year the Browns have accumulated a draft stockpile well beyond anything the NFL has seen since perhaps the Hershal Walker trade, or the Ricky Williams trade. They've used their stockpile of cap space (as well as the talent they already had) to build 4/5ths of what should be a very good offensive line, they have the basis for a good receiving corps, and adding Garrett as well as the Collins move last year puts them in position to have a strong front 7 defensively. The simple truth is this organization likely would be in MUCH better shape long term if they rolled all our cap space over this offseason, accumulated the comp picks from letting Gilmore / Woods / Brown / Goodwin / Alexander etc walk and traded any of Shady, Graham, Kyle, Preston Brown, Richie, Wood etc that would have value, before rolling pick #10 back to accumulate as much future draft capital we could. We'd very likely be very bad this year, but the basis of a foundation is there with Sammy / Glenn / Miller / Dareus / Lawson / Hughes / Ragland / Darby and a few of the younger guys we don't know much about yet that it wouldn't take long to get back into our current position only with a MUCH brighter outlook on our future, a full season of seeing if we can find any gems out of later round picks / UDFAs, perhaps Darnold to really build around, a mountain of cap space and a pile of draft picks. However, we do not have that long term outlook as we keep sacrificing future value to push the 8th or 9th most talented team in the AFC into one of the two wild card spots. How anyone thinks that's the best long term move for this franchise is beyond me.

The shoutbox said he's in Foxboro right now. I'm starting to think BB is just trolling us and the Browns, winning Super Bowls with our castoffs just to show us it's not that hard.

I don't understand how people can simply brush aside the big game performances by Watson. This guy isn't Tebow or Vince Young on a college football field and I'm not convinced a 1 pm October game against the Jets in Metlife is more difficult than Bama in the National championship game. Everyone whose been around him just raves about him having the "it" factor. Honestly, I expect he'll be the first QB off the board and long gone by 10, but if he's still there I'd run to the podium. I don't think I'd take any of the other QBs at 10 nor would I trade up to get them with our 2nd.

Always liked this guy.