Mojo44

This is the absolute truth. He needs to go after this season! Okay Pegulas, you got scammed. Buy Rex out, learn a lesson and hire a real coach.

This only makes sense if you really believe Rex can change his stripes. He is genuinely a horrible coach and the Pegulas were bamboozled. Rex was a flash in the pan for his first two years. He's been a disaster ever since. Does anyone believe he can change. I don't. The Pegulas should cut their losses buy him out and consider the money lost a hard lesson learned.

The OP's theory has several major flaws: First, as one poster has noted, no one with a modicum of football sense would say all you need is a QB. Classic straw man fallacy. You argue a point which no one takes the opposite side. Second, cherry picking QB's who have great seasons and not make the playoffs is statistically flawed. Only a few teams get to the playoffs and only two get to the SB. Probability alone shows this reasoning to be flawed. The major point is that virtually all playoff teams have good QB play. Still, only a few get in. Also, as us Bills fans know all too well, there are always a few games in the season that are decided by one or two crucial plays that could have gone either way and could be the difference between making the playoffs or not. Finally, the OP doesn't seem to say this but there is the now classic cherry picking logic of a QB who is a game manager but not elite who get to the SB. The one and seemingly only real example of this is Trent Dilfer. But when you look at other "non elite" QB's who get there team to the SB they have great years, for example Steve Berline(bad spell, I know) and Rich Gannon. If these guys put up the numbers they did every year like they did in their SB years they would be in the HOF. Just like with money, a top QB isn't everything, but it's way ahead of whatever is in second place.

This may or may not be true. We'll find out during the off season. If that QB is not available are you in favor of taking a big cap hit, which would absolutely be the case, to get Revis and tie up all that money?

Maybe you should read my post again. For the money he will command he's not woth it for the Bills. What he would bring is nowhere near a priority for the Bills. It's all about the QB for this team, period. BTW, you should stop banging your head like that. You could hurt yourself.

Getting Revis makes no sense to me. CB is an area of relative strength on this team especially if Leodis comes back OK which he should. This is one thing about Ryan that bothers me. This would be a ridiculous and unnecessary cap hit for a player who is on the downside. This seems to be more Rex's ego and blinders re: focusing mostly on D. Getting Revis would not improve the D that much for the cost. Come on, Whaley, be the voice of reason here! There needs to be only one focus for this team period: getting a good QB. Look at the final four: Rodgers, Brady, Luck and Wilson. Throw in the likes of Manning and Romo in the playoffs. If the Bills are going to make a splash and spend some big bucks it needs to be for a viable QB. The question is is there one out there? It would be absolutely great if EJ could get there but the odds are not good IMO. I don't know if he is even going to be on the market but I would love Bradford. Never mind the Mike Glennons of the league. Right now it's all about the QB for the Bills. Without one they might even regress next season.

This is a good take. No question that with a serviceable QB the Bills are 11-5 in 2014 and in the playoffs. I don't know about Kellen Moore but EJ needs competition. I'm hopeful that EJ can develop but not optimistic. Would love to get Bradford if that was somehow possible.

Right. As a Bills fan since day one of the franchise these were truly the worst four years of my life...winning a lot of games and going to all those SB's. Thank God nothing like that has ever happened again!

At least Bills fans have someone to root against, vehemently. Love to see the Pats* clobbered.

Don't need Harris with Kiko coming back and with the emergence of Bradham and Brown. I'd love to have Spikes on the team next year IF he is affordable and IF he's willing to accept a situational, part time role.

My biggest concern with Ryan's D if if he tries to make Dareus into some type of NT. That would be a waste of his talent. He thrives in a 4 man line.

Not overblown to me in principle. A basic rule was allegedly broken. Didn't affect the outcome of the game this time but there is a clear reason for the rule. The final report should be interesting.

1. I didn't bring up Marrone in my post. You did. I was responding to the OP which is about Ryan and my concerns about him. In the process you continue to insult me without provocation. 2. You still haven't responded to how the GM is ultimately tesponsible for a team's W-L record more so than the HC. If you don't want to discuss it don't respond to my posts. Simple enough.

Thanks, I appreciate that.

Explain to me how my understanding of the HC/GM relationship is sad and dribble. Are you saying it was Idzik and not Rex who was primarily responsible for the 4-12 record? In other words, even Shula, Belicheck, Landry etc. would also have been 4-12 with the same personnel? My understanding of the game is just fine. BTW, I'm glad you noticed I was back. If I actually hurt anyone's feelings in my posts supporting Marrone I'm truly sorry. It seemed like good back and forth repartee to me. I thought I was giving it back as good as I was getting it. But apparently I crossed some line and got suspended. Not my intention. Again, sorry I may have ruffled someone's feathers.

My biggest concern about Ryan is that he doesn't have a sufficient skill set to be a head coach. Specifically he has a reputation of being disorganized. Sure he must know something about offense because he specialty is D. But this doesn't necessarily mean he really gets how offenses work in any deep sense. Even his public statements suggests, to me, he doesn't care about the offense on his own team to even be involved sufficiently as a HC should be. A HC needs to be a control freak by definition of the job. He's responsible, ultimately, for the product on the field. I don't feel like I need to be able to have a beer with the Bills HC. I don't care if he comes across surly or boring. He needs to be a control freak and disciplinarian. Rex has a lot to learn about being a HC still. A 4-12 record on a downward trending team is not a good recent history. That's Rex's record, not the GM......I'm hopeful he can make that change and time will tell.

The Bills may be the fickle ones. On the face of it this doesn't make sense. I don't think he's really head coach material. He's not enough of a control freak. He really doesn't care about the offense. That's not good. The HC has to have his hands in everything. That's why Marrone gets credit for the mass improvement in the D. I'll support him because I'm a Bills fan. To me this seems like a serious downgrade. Don't worry about Marrone. Why do you think the knowledgable football world sings his praises. Weird but here we go.

Ryan has always struck me as being way more style than substance. Don't get it. This will need some period of adjustment for me to get used to. How ironic if he does turn out to be the guy.

My God! The Pegulas are in over their heads. Can't believe they couldn't have done better than this. Prove me wrong, Rex, please!

Now that's what I call a real intelligent and thought out post. Let me know when you actually have something even half way intelligent to post. Love to hear it. In the mean time keep sitting around eating your bon bons like a bored housewife and post genially dumb stuff like this. Pathetic!

Stop the ridiculous soap opera, already! The titles of these threads is like something from the Days of our Lives. It's simple. Marrone opted out because he was hired to revive the offense then was hamstrung by Whaley. Marrone didn't want EJ and he didn't want to give up the 1st round pick for Watkins. That's it. He wanted more control over these decisions and the Bills said no. I remember when EJ was drafted many posters said that he and Marrone were married to each other in terms of their future. It turns out that it was a shotgun wedding. That's it!...was it Parcells who said "if you want me to cook the meal you have to let me pick the food"? However I am working on the theory that it was Marrone, not the North Koreans, who hacked SONY.....

It was a dumb move and Marrone was right. We keep the pick the Bills then could have bolstered the O line and then drafted a viable QB option like Carr. A much better scenario for the Bills. Tack on what we now seem to know that Marrone didn't want EJ and you realize the no win catch 22 predicament he was in. He's tasked to build an offense then is totally hamsrtinged by Whaley about personnel decisions. You can't hire somebody to do a job then put roadblocks in his way. And he still got the team to 9-7 with a cowardly sloth as the best option at QB. I would have opted out too once I learned that it wasn't going to change.

Marrone didn't opt out until 12/31. The players were long gone. What was he supposed to do? Call a team meeting and have everyone come back to Buffalo from the 4 corners? Think!

This is actually not true at all.

I felt the same way, artmalibu, when the season ended. Then the HC who led us to the record in 2 short years was basically run out of town IMO (I know I'm in the minority here. No debate, please). We don't have a viable QB and we don't have a first round pick. Bizarre, isn't it, after the best season in a decade?