Mojo44

Thank you. This needed to be said after a couple posters actually seem to believe that Oliver is so highly rated because he ran a fast cone drill. The notion is a bit silly on the face of it. There is a reason why he is so universally highly rated and most likely will not fall to the ninth pick and it’s not how he ran his cone drill!

Ouch! Forgot about that one.

OK, it’s very simple. The article is a bunch of BS “data“ which is not probative and you cannot make a decision based on that stuff. You cannot sink your teeth into it. It is just another example of the ubiquitous pre-draft ***** that goes on these days. Like I said, it’s simple. Your team has made evaluations of the top players. You have a certain context in terms of where your team is at right now as far as its development is concerned. You see a seriously talented tight end who you believe, based on all of your assessment of him, can make a major difference on the team. If that is the case, and you have no other player rated ahead of him regardless of position, you take him. Like I said, it is that simple. Why you’re laughing out loud at me It makes me wonder what you’re doing with your hand.

Don’t believe everything you read.

The OP’s rationale for not taking a TE was this high can be applied just as appropriately to WR’s, CB’s and other non QB positions. Not a compelling take to me. I’m not sure I want Hock at 9 but not for this reason.

This is not necessarily true at all and I disagree with your “all likelihood“ qualifier. If you pick an edge rusher with the ninth pick you absolutely expect some positive impact. Doesn’t have to be pro bowl level but clearly significant. Anything beyond that would be gravy. In this case, anyway, I will keep the first pick.

John McCargo Lite

I’m at work and did not read the article. Thanks for the clarification. The scenario you clarified was just too good to be true!I’m at work and did not read the article. Thanks for the clarification. The scenario you clarified was just too good to be true!

I’ll be in a full-blown harness with an ejector button.

Based on all the reading I’m doing the heart condition is considered a non-issue and will not likely affect his draft status. You may be making way too much of it. From all the mocks I’m seeing, not only will he not be there at pick 22, he may not make it out of the top 10! If he is there at nine he may be the best player on the board at that time!

Fine! Agree to disagree. I’ll bet that if either one of us did some research we would find more than a few players were drafted at nine to fit that category. But, that’s actually besides the point. It proves nothing. It’s a relevant.The only question is about the current draft. That’s the only context that is significant here. At nine I would definitely take him over Metcalf if those were the best two options available.

Completely disagree. He very likely is that player and there’s a good chance he will be available at nine.

If J. Williams is a plug-in and play pro bowler for ten years as many say, then that’s a hell of a lot closer to great than good and that’s worth the pick!

The “simplicity” of the study is the problem! You say so yourself that no other factors are taken into consideration. In other words, the study did not control for a single variable! From the standpoint of empirical research this renders the findings, essentially, useless.

You worry too much.

I used to dislike Kiper intensely. He comes across pompous and he has the gall to charge people for his opinion on the ESPN website which others don’t do. But, the fact is, he is no better or no worse than any other of the pundits out there. And this includes Mayock, who, in my opinion, is overrated. Besides, all of these other pundits wouldn’t have jobs if it wasn’t for Kiper, who started all this. So my dislike for him as attenuated over the years. I’ve even developed some begrudging respect for him. Besides, his take that the Bills might be a surprise team this year is not irrational or far fetched.

With the exception of a quarterback, if you take any player in the top 10 regardless of position he better start on day one or it’s a wasted pick. So, if they do take Metcalf at number nine he better at least to be WR 1B if not 1A!

Just to piggyback on this, you may want to Google Oliver’s pro day.By all accounts he blew everybody away! Now I’m thinking that it’s more likely than not he won’t even be there at number nine

A dog just bit a man!

Great find! I remember watching the game on my black-and-white TV in my home in Niagara Falls when I was 11 years old. The Stratton hit on Keith Lincoln is great to watch to this day. I also believe the 1965 championship team would’ve beaten Green Bay if they had a Super Bowl one year earlier

Budda-book budda-BPA!

All you had to say was “BPA”

I’ve lived in the Syracuse area since 1980. I’m a big fan of the orange including lacrosse. It is said that a fundamental rule change occurred after Jim Brown played lacrosse. He used to get the ball in his stick,cup against his chest and simply run down the field knocking people down until he got to the goal and then scored. Since that time, reportedly because of this, it’s illegal to carry the ball that way

It was sad. He retired in his prime at the end of the 1965 season to focus on acting in movies. I was a kid growing up in Niagara Falls. Maybe you remember that back then both the browns and the bills were televised every Sunday in western New York. I’ve always been a bills fan. For a while the Browns were my second team. If Brown had played out his natural physical career they would still be chasing him for the all-time leading rusher. One of my best years as a fan was 1964 when the bills one the AFL championship in the Browns won the NFL championship. I also remember that Lee Roy Kelly took over for brown after he retired and was a great running back for several years after that.

I remember this,also, growing up in Niagara Falls. Not only was Jim Brown the greatest running back of all time, in my opinion he is the greatest football player of all time. He had to be seen to be appreciated!