Billsfan1972

26-14 since Mahomes was a starter..... Now you went to 8 points (that's two scores, td and 2-pt conversion)..... Regardless a very good winning record. I'm taking out the Bills 5-1 season too, just because..... Makes them 13-19, which is really bad......

Actually I just checked the New England Patriots (Brady 2014-19), Kansas City Chiefs (above), Tennessee Titans, New Orleans Saints (last 5 Brees years),and Green Bay Packers. I looked at 5 years. NE 23-13 (Brady years 2015-19) .639 GB 24-15 .615 NO 19-15 .559 Tenn 30-17 .638 KC 26-12 .684 Buff 18-20 .474 Chose them as all have/had great quarterbacks like Allen and their winning records (Tannehill being the outlier, and GB and NO had losing seasons in the review). Just went through all one score games and guess what? All teams won at at least a .559 to .684 winning percentage. Includes playoffs. But of course the fact that the Bills are under .500 shouldn't be a concern and of course means that it is an outlier and just bad luck, right? By what I just said it seems good teams win close games. So please explain how I am wrong in my assessment???? All the above are winning teams and they had winning records every year or at worst were .500.

You got to be kidding. The title of the thread is "we don't have the mentality to win close games". When compared to Kansas City I say the thread is correct (though i did no cment or give an opinion, just stated stats and facts). Let me guess numbers don't matter to you as I have just shown Kansas City is winning those games and the Bills are not based on their record? Talk about obtuse

Again KC wins close games, Buffalo does not. If KC had Buffalo's record in close game, they'd be on the road in the playoffs. Bills winning % is .592 under McD, but only .474 in 1 score games (thanks to the 2 back door covers😝) KC's is .684 in close games, which is in line with their overall record. How much simpler can I make it.

I already said that I made a mistake. Now I'm sure KC's record in close games is an outlier too according to you & Teef?????😉😝

Huh..... Looked at the whole career and it is a losing record and the team has a great w/l record. Here's the random example KC with Mahomes as their QB (as that is the team we're striving to beat), they are 26-12 in close games..... A lot more then the Bills and a record that is in line with their overall record. I'm tired, you want to try some other winning teams and see their results? Sure they will be similar.

Your #'s are slightly off (surprise in your favour) Including playoffs 2017 5-3 2018 3-3 2019 4-6 2020 5-1 2021 0-6 2022 1-1 (thread started prior to the win) Again overall 18-20 <.500 and Bills Record overall 55-37

And you've shown none but have claimed the word "Outlier" to defend your position. Again I did not blame the coaching on the majority of the losses (since that seems to be what irks people here). I do however hold them responsible in the games vs. KC, TB & Miami (and to a lesser extent NE) when talking about late game decisions/calls. I get it, but this is a circular argument & I'm talking only the end of games. Want me to recall a play from the first quarter I disagreed with? It's 60 minutes & I get it.

Good for you, and I won't disagree, but as per the Thread and my personal opinion, it is when you are on pins & needles that last drive. I have used the back door cover comment and said I wasn't worried the last 5 minutes with Miami or the Raiders & more just upset that the Bills were scored on and only concerned as to recovering the onside kick (in 2020 the % recovered was 4%, in 2021 15%).

One score is a close game to me if the opposing team has the ball in the last 2-3 minutes and a chance to tie or win. Yes a tie game in the fourth (or within three) and then a team pulls away can be close too, but is not the same nail-biter as your team up by 3-7 and the opposing team with the ball with 3 minutes to go or you down by 3-7 with the ball in the same situation. And of course a tie. So next someone will try and use the argument that a 3-7 point spread no longer close after a pick-6 in the last minute. As we know watching the Bills, that has not happened in the last 5-7 seasons I'm quite sure. When I too cited every other good teams' records in 2021 as being winning in these one score scenarios, I did not do a deep dive, just looked for those games <7. I did however remember many of the games, especially OT or late wins/losses of FG's or TDs.

Maybe that is "his mechanics". If he doesn't make that throw the Bills are punting and probably a completely different conversation this week.

And what makes these last 4 pages just so much fun, is that I started on this thread not agreeing (or disagreeing) with the premise/statement, just saying how personally some people take it. And I love that all the stats I showed (and others), the losing record that McD has in close games and that I had the audacity to claim that TDs scored in the last two minutes where only recovering an onside kick could result in any chance to tie/win the game is really "not a close game" had some upset. And I'm not questioning the coaching or team play anywhere the first 58 minutes of a game, just was discussing the last 2. But some people as I've noted when it comes to the coaching just see red when it is discussed. Remember too I have said that vs. Baltimore, the Bills & the coaches did everything right and have applauded them for that.

I watched it a # of times and he went down (or was going to be tackled regardless. He missed seeing an open receiver right in front of him. This is a typical Lamar excuse.

Yes Poyer came off. That's the point, he no longer was looking downfield which is an issue.

I'd think Allen makes the throw, but regardless does not go down like Lamar did. Trying to not be too negative about Lamar, but there were a number of mistakes on third and fourth down.

I said it elsewhere but great screen shot as there's a player wide open right in front of him. Mahomes certainly make the throw and probably Allen too.

And you keep saying outlier. Sorry that is a weak excuse to what certainly were issues late in games. So are the Ravens now an outlier or is it coaching? In 2021, Lamar was out, so I won't blame coaching there. 2022 vs. Miami, defence fell apart and Lamar needed just one more first down and they win. Vs. Buffalo again they didn't execute on the goal line and again the defense didn't make a play down the stretch. The 0-7 stretch all had situations down the stretch where the Bills failed. Some on the players, some on coaching. But quit the lazy outlier argument.

I never said he was bad. I've also shown McD's record since the start and it is not great. You say 2021 is an outlier, but every other good team was fine in close games. I don't solely blame McD on the record, but have said at times late game decisions have been questionable. We're really not that much apart on our thoughts, but think you are missing my point. If anything, what's bothering me is that the Bills played Meh the last two weeks.

So showing the Bills record in close games is not good, and citing stats mean nothing? This is getting old. The 2021 5-1 record as said was not as good as it looked and have yes talked about two games that the Bills won comfortably but looked closer on paper. Sorry tds scored the last two minutes when you can't get the ball back (outside an onside kick) are not really close. Almost blowing a 14 point lead in the 4th quarter brings up other questions which I never commented on, just pointing out now what would have been a terrible loss. And again how many times have I said McD has grown on me and still people see red when I question anything? This entire thread I haven't outside just stating a fact that the Bills have not been good in close games. BTW in the playoffs the Bills are 1-3 in one score games under McD.

Why don't you do the work and see what I have stated. I cited in 2021 all the best teams did well in close games, except the Bills, but somehow that has no merit. Under McD their record too is bad in close games. I then explained back door covers and again noted the Bills didn't have one where they scored to make a game look closer. The Miami game they did score two fourth quarter tds, and actually were the better team throughout, bit regardless the last Miami td, was with under 1 minute and meant something only to bettors. Read my posts I have not whined about McD for a long time. I joined this discussion on p.13 and did not question McD. However facts are facts. The Indy game, yes they almost blew a 14 point lead in the 4th. That would have been devastating.

Maybe a bad call on second down, but a great play by Milano, but missed open receivers on third and fourth down. See .23 seconds on third and wide open receiver receiver right in front of him.

Haven't read all the responses yet but he had a wide-open receiver on third down right in front of him check .23 in. That's a pass the Mahomes makes.

And even more stupidity..... Note barely no talk about the Bills and mostly defending Lamar and burying Harbaugh (who made the right call and Lamar missed two open receivers).

Great you found an article that tries to support your theory. The Bills are a very good/great team and thus even though should win as per the article .500 (since random), they have not (and that included the terrible 2018 season). 2019-2022 they've been even worse, so that goes against the "random" theory. I showed that 2021 all the good teams were actually even better than .500 in these situations. The ONLY outlier being Buffalo. How does that happen according to the above? Probably because it is not right or was 2021 such an unusual year? And again the back door td's the Raiders & Miami scored really are as I stated redundant when the win probabilities were in both cases over 95%. Oh and the playoffs are only good teams playing so yes there will be 1 win and 1 loss in these close games. But as of October 2022 the Bills are 1.000, so I'm pumped......😉 BTW I did not start the thread or get too involved in it until this point, but there is no doubt it is an issue and exacerbated by 13 seconds which was 100% a coaching meltdown.

Why don't you go through every game of every team and cherry pick yourself? I have been talking about late game (i.e. last 5 minutes, and in most cases 2). Regardless they were up by 14 & 10 in the games you cited in the last 2 minutes and neither team recovered on-side kicks or had a chance to go ahead or tie the game. The Bills didn't even need a first down to secure the game. Vs. Indy in the playoffs, they almost blew a 14 point lead and if I remember correctly needed one first down to ice the game (and they didn't get it) and frankly held on by their fingernails. However a win is a win. McD's career record isn't great either as stated and as I've shown many a few were as I've referred to as backdoor covers. Bills haven't had a single one.... So again I've done the work.... One Score Games 2017 4-3 2018 3-3 2019 4-6 2020 5-1 (two back door covers) 2021 0-5 2022 1-1 (Thread started when 0-1) Total 17-19 (or 14-19 if remove back door and Baltimore game as thread started prior). 17/36 = .472 14/33 = .424 Both are well below the Bills winning % over that time, which shows they do proportionally worse in close games vs. expected. Sorry if math isn't your strong suit.