Billsfan1972

And what makes these last 4 pages just so much fun, is that I started on this thread not agreeing (or disagreeing) with the premise/statement, just saying how personally some people take it. And I love that all the stats I showed (and others), the losing record that McD has in close games and that I had the audacity to claim that TDs scored in the last two minutes where only recovering an onside kick could result in any chance to tie/win the game is really "not a close game" had some upset. And I'm not questioning the coaching or team play anywhere the first 58 minutes of a game, just was discussing the last 2. But some people as I've noted when it comes to the coaching just see red when it is discussed. Remember too I have said that vs. Baltimore, the Bills & the coaches did everything right and have applauded them for that.

I watched it a # of times and he went down (or was going to be tackled regardless. He missed seeing an open receiver right in front of him. This is a typical Lamar excuse.

Yes Poyer came off. That's the point, he no longer was looking downfield which is an issue.

I'd think Allen makes the throw, but regardless does not go down like Lamar did. Trying to not be too negative about Lamar, but there were a number of mistakes on third and fourth down.

I said it elsewhere but great screen shot as there's a player wide open right in front of him. Mahomes certainly make the throw and probably Allen too.

And you keep saying outlier. Sorry that is a weak excuse to what certainly were issues late in games. So are the Ravens now an outlier or is it coaching? In 2021, Lamar was out, so I won't blame coaching there. 2022 vs. Miami, defence fell apart and Lamar needed just one more first down and they win. Vs. Buffalo again they didn't execute on the goal line and again the defense didn't make a play down the stretch. The 0-7 stretch all had situations down the stretch where the Bills failed. Some on the players, some on coaching. But quit the lazy outlier argument.

I never said he was bad. I've also shown McD's record since the start and it is not great. You say 2021 is an outlier, but every other good team was fine in close games. I don't solely blame McD on the record, but have said at times late game decisions have been questionable. We're really not that much apart on our thoughts, but think you are missing my point. If anything, what's bothering me is that the Bills played Meh the last two weeks.

So showing the Bills record in close games is not good, and citing stats mean nothing? This is getting old. The 2021 5-1 record as said was not as good as it looked and have yes talked about two games that the Bills won comfortably but looked closer on paper. Sorry tds scored the last two minutes when you can't get the ball back (outside an onside kick) are not really close. Almost blowing a 14 point lead in the 4th quarter brings up other questions which I never commented on, just pointing out now what would have been a terrible loss. And again how many times have I said McD has grown on me and still people see red when I question anything? This entire thread I haven't outside just stating a fact that the Bills have not been good in close games. BTW in the playoffs the Bills are 1-3 in one score games under McD.

Why don't you do the work and see what I have stated. I cited in 2021 all the best teams did well in close games, except the Bills, but somehow that has no merit. Under McD their record too is bad in close games. I then explained back door covers and again noted the Bills didn't have one where they scored to make a game look closer. The Miami game they did score two fourth quarter tds, and actually were the better team throughout, bit regardless the last Miami td, was with under 1 minute and meant something only to bettors. Read my posts I have not whined about McD for a long time. I joined this discussion on p.13 and did not question McD. However facts are facts. The Indy game, yes they almost blew a 14 point lead in the 4th. That would have been devastating.

Maybe a bad call on second down, but a great play by Milano, but missed open receivers on third and fourth down. See .23 seconds on third and wide open receiver receiver right in front of him.

Haven't read all the responses yet but he had a wide-open receiver on third down right in front of him check .23 in. That's a pass the Mahomes makes.

And even more stupidity..... Note barely no talk about the Bills and mostly defending Lamar and burying Harbaugh (who made the right call and Lamar missed two open receivers).

Great you found an article that tries to support your theory. The Bills are a very good/great team and thus even though should win as per the article .500 (since random), they have not (and that included the terrible 2018 season). 2019-2022 they've been even worse, so that goes against the "random" theory. I showed that 2021 all the good teams were actually even better than .500 in these situations. The ONLY outlier being Buffalo. How does that happen according to the above? Probably because it is not right or was 2021 such an unusual year? And again the back door td's the Raiders & Miami scored really are as I stated redundant when the win probabilities were in both cases over 95%. Oh and the playoffs are only good teams playing so yes there will be 1 win and 1 loss in these close games. But as of October 2022 the Bills are 1.000, so I'm pumped......😉 BTW I did not start the thread or get too involved in it until this point, but there is no doubt it is an issue and exacerbated by 13 seconds which was 100% a coaching meltdown.

Why don't you go through every game of every team and cherry pick yourself? I have been talking about late game (i.e. last 5 minutes, and in most cases 2). Regardless they were up by 14 & 10 in the games you cited in the last 2 minutes and neither team recovered on-side kicks or had a chance to go ahead or tie the game. The Bills didn't even need a first down to secure the game. Vs. Indy in the playoffs, they almost blew a 14 point lead and if I remember correctly needed one first down to ice the game (and they didn't get it) and frankly held on by their fingernails. However a win is a win. McD's career record isn't great either as stated and as I've shown many a few were as I've referred to as backdoor covers. Bills haven't had a single one.... So again I've done the work.... One Score Games 2017 4-3 2018 3-3 2019 4-6 2020 5-1 (two back door covers) 2021 0-5 2022 1-1 (Thread started when 0-1) Total 17-19 (or 14-19 if remove back door and Baltimore game as thread started prior). 17/36 = .472 14/33 = .424 Both are well below the Bills winning % over that time, which shows they do proportionally worse in close games vs. expected. Sorry if math isn't your strong suit.

And I have said let's move forward too..... But facts are facts.... I was thrilled they did everything right on Sunday in the last 5 minutes. How about you answering my questions, which you are an expert at evading. The Bills 0-7 record did not include one "Back door Cover", but the 2020 Miami & Raiders games are immediately trumpeted as winning a one score game, though Bills were comfortably ahead in the last two minutes (i.e. by 14 & 10 points). Heck up 14 vs. Indy in the playoffs in the 4th and they hold on and again that is to you the same as the Tennessee, TB or KC game? You're more slippery than an eel.....

There's no agenda. The fact some here hate the idea that one would question McD is quite funny. 2020 btw they were 5-1, however as stated two were the result of last 2 minute TD's by Miami & Raiders (backdoor covers), which mean very little. They beat LA Rams, NE & Indy in the playoffs (again had a 14 point lead in the fourth, won by 3). The 0-7 were all games they had the ball with a chance to win late in the 4th (or OT), which is a huge difference. This isn't a deep dive, it is facts. The Bills are one of the 5 best teams in the NFL 2020-2022. I expect better. But I guess that concept is way over some of your heads?

Stats don't work. Other teams success means nothing. Career reviews are skewed to fit some narrative. Facts and actual results mean nothing to some people. 2020 the only game they won the last minute was vs. LA. They held on vs. NE and yes the Hail Murray. 2021 was some bad luck, breaks if we want to call th that, but also some that the Bills really have only themselves to blame. Just admit that. I give up.....

If every good team is able to win close games but the Bills that means nothing to you? I've said I'm looking forward, And I love that it doesn't matter what other teams do. Can't argue that point🤣 If you're OK losing close games all the power to you.

Hey Pot..... Kettle calling.... How absurd are you. Who cares that other teams are successful, but the Bills are not? You really said that? Hey the Giants won 5 games, but let's not look at that because wins/losses don't really matter? Winning close games are important and all the good teams showed that in 2021, except one team. That team was Buffalo. How many stats do you need to show that as a fact? Billy Claude showed a great rundown (you even approved it) and it showed the Bills being not particularly good when trailing. So let's move forward as I pointed out that the Bills are 1-0 from October 1, 2022. Let's hope the one game trend continues.😉

Now put Allen in the same spot as Lamar Sunday and he throws the int, and it is Lamar marching the Ravens down the field for the win & Allen's MVP chances are gone if the two have similar stats come the end of the season (i.e. two best QBs). I however expect (since jaded), that if they are 1-2 at the end of the season, Lamar's bad read will be overlooked as the argument will be "The Bills are a better teams, with better weapons and Allen didn't pull out the Miami game".

Wasn't your eye it was you responding to ToGoGo, who explained how much better his eyes were in assessing plays/coaching/late game situations😉. Didn't mean hurt your feelings. 2021 is a perfectly fine reference point as their record was just so bad and as I pointed out, but you ignored, every winning team (acknowledged as good or SB contenders) all had at worst .500 records in these "close" games. And if they pulled out 1 game, they probably get home field through the playoffs. But you keep ignoring that, because acknowledging facts just doesn't suit your narrative.

Two plays were wide open and Lamar made the wrong read. The fact he threw it and was in the direction of an open receiver was actually impressive, but was way too late and too much arc.

Well someone did the work and showed that what has been discussed was pretty bang on, but those #'s don't jive with you for some reason. Not having a good eye, I guess means you know better then me? Well I'm sure you do and it is just bad bounces and bad luck.... Okay.... And yes Teef, to me a lot has to do with the coaching (13 seconds will not be easily forgotten as there were just so many mistakes, all on the coaching imo). Yes I have removed two back door covers from the 13-3 season, because they were just that, where the Bills were well ahead (like yesterday the Rams if they scored down 24-9 in the last 2 minutes did manage to score). Do I blame McD for Kyler Murray's Hail Mary? No.... Do I think he made the right call vs. Tennessee? Yes I do (though I think they were disorganized on 4th down). I however think coaching was responsible for KC, TB, Miami (time management). NE & Jax a lot could have been done differently (and weather in the NE game), so who knows. The Pitt game was just an anomaly and the Bills seemed unprepared for some reason. Just was talking about the last 2 minutes. And remember I have praised McD and the team for brilliantly handling the last 2 minutes Sunday vs. The Ravens.

Never questioned Allen. This was about coaching, defense, play calling.... And yet again when it is pointed out that the good teams all in 2021 had winning records in "these games" but the Bills did not, then the argument changes and the excuses start..... Regardless they are 1-0 since October 2022, everyone happy now????😝

Well that's just a little different.