Billsfan1972

But it's not a problem and I am the one who needs my eyes checked...... They weren't easy catches (some were drops), but help Allen once in a while.

Now I'll double down. Pathetic today. Can they make one contested catch? Counted at least four to five passes that should have been caught. No help for Allen.

And make the fans suffer.

I hate this weather.

Brown dropped a catchable pass.

Again that is a different discussion and you are welcome to start a thread Efficiency, Chunk Plays and Production. The Bills are an elite team. They are one of the best offenses. I watch other games and if you want me to divide by 31, I still say I see more from other teams. And yes I'll now call out John Brown, dropping one at the 5 yard line. And now Mackenzie.😡

So you disagree..... Thanks for the opinion. Care to elaborate? I posted my Observation and you think the Bills have made those catches. Here let me help you from the OP. Am I wrong to think we don't see as many by the Bills? That was the question I asked and elaborated explaining what my definition of a difficult catch is. Thank you for sharing.

Of course the Bills make some. I said "not as many". I said it was an observation from watching other games. I started a thread to to see what others thought. You are welcome to say you disagree or that you think the Bills make "more" then the norm. Maybe I am scarred from the Minny game, where they seemed to make too many or the Bills secondary, where it appear they have players covered, but the player makes the catch because the Bills player didn't turn his head or get his arm up. No I do not break down every team and every play, but watch a lot and see more of these "catches" watching other teams. And please tell me as the your highlighted point why that may be? It is not highlights it is having the games on and watching. Even if highlights, I don't see as many from the Bills watching them every week. Geez this is like people upset when I said I saw 5 drops vs. NE, arguing that fact and guess what there were 5 Drops.

Yes I would & I think Allen is very accurate. What I don't see from the Bills (and maybe I am wrong) is the receiver catching that 50/50 ball or the catch in tight coverage with the DB/Safety right there. I see plenty of great throws just past the outstretched arm of defensive players or as the receiver comes out of his cut, just not the contested ones (as an example). An example is Mayfield's winning TD vs. the Raiders Thursday where the DB was right there but the receiver (and not a top NFL receiver) made the play on the ball.

Yes you were very clear, however people then decide to take it in different directions. What it shows to me is that to remain an NFL coach, make the playoffs continually.😉

And McD's and the #'s should increase this year. Making the SB get's you 4 points on this scale (bye included). That would bring McD to 1.8333 should they make the SB. What position? I made it clear it was interesting, particularly how many rookie coaches and those with minimal tenure there are. I then proceeded to say I didn't think it meant a whole lot. McD is 5th on the list in his 6th season. And yes I broke down his stats and stated that this is what the pundits will say. Yes Lafleur will get a lot of flack too, as did others on the list until they won (particularly Reid).

I'm wondering who amongst great receivers get the most cushion? Does #92 mean Davis doesn't do a good job getting separation? Davis Catch # is not great, but if uncatchable not his fault. What I want is a measure of "contested catch rate" or "hold rate when hit" or similar. As said I can remember specific catches where the receiver made a great catch and it was not the best of throws (Diggs definitely, Knox one or two and even Davis). I remember MacKenzie holding on to one where he may have been concussed after a violent hit as he caught the ball. There are others. The eye test is though the Bills haven't had many this year (and let's leave Diggs out of the equation).

Geez how sad, I've said not a single thing about McD, but stated the record and what we will hear from pundits come the playoffs until things change. I will not even begin to comment on my thoughts about McD, but stated that the Bills haven't won on the road, vs. KC or OT. But keep piling on.

Not at all what I said. Read the op. But yes I haven't seen too many one on one battles won. Not getting into a war of words or going to start calling out receivers or pointing to specific plays either. But let's for arguments sake use the Bills defense and the concerns of late to juxtapose my comment. How many times have people complained that passes are completed against our secondary because coverage while there the other receiver caught the ball? Have you seen many tough contested catches by Bills receivers? Yes they've made them, just not as many as I've seen other teams and players make.

The prior two years and this year the Bills have a team that is/was good enough to win the Super Bowl. Let's hope this is the year. Can we agree on that? Again you're reading into what I wrote. I stated nothing but facts. I made no personal comment as to McD.

I said pundits. Oh and I guess stating facts is a No-No?

No I have not, however as said I do watch a lot of football and I see a lot of contested catches by other players. To my eyes I haven't seen as many by the Bills who I watch every week and every play. Have you watched every other team and every other game so that you can definitively say the Bills have made so many contested catches? However I respect your response that you think the answer is no. The snarky follow-up though was uncalled for.

And the point? Just was responding to another post. The thread is about contested catches but if you want to start bringing up drops why don't you start your own thread? By the way I did see the drop by Boyd and it was terrible. Fortunately at the end of the day it did not cost them the game.

Yes I mentioned the one-handed grab in to OP (unfortunately that was the drive that ended on the 4th down Int in the endzone). Since you brought it up however, I will also note (and yes I remember this clearly and have a long memory) with 3:50 left on a third & 10, Diggs dropped a 20 yard pass that hit him in the #'s, which was a large reason the Bills lost the game (though yes the OT int by Allen too haunts me😉). Wasn't contested if thinking the same play late in the game. It was a timing pattern down the sideline where Diggs turned the ball was there and the defender behind him. It was a drop.

Good stats & yes checked them, but really no indication of the difficulty of the catches. There are stats too (not finding them now showing QB's and the accuracy of their passes and how many bad ones they've thrown....). Jefferson makes spectacular catches continually as does Kupp and others. I will say Diggs too (but not sure how many this year). More an eye test question as I just haven't seen that many by Buffalo. That is why I asked. I watch every Bills game, but watch a lot of other ones too and see what I think are "wow" catches more often then in Bills games. Look at Thursday and the last drive vs. the Raiders and the Rams made some. Jefferson vs. the Bills was unreal. Burrow & Cincy vs. KC I saw a # too. JMHO.

I was asking a question (and yes named you two, knowing as you are now showing that you won't answer the question, just tell me that the thread is negative and serves no purpose). You can PM me if you want to take it offline. I'm just posting an observation I have (and yes may be completely wrong).

Don't see a whole lot there. Yes Owners/GMs are not a patient bunch. With Buffalo & McD, it is right now about winning and pundits will say 3-0 at home, 0-4 on the road (0-2 vs. KC). Oh & 0-2 in OT😡.

Just you & Royale.... You know why. I am stating an opinion and what I am seeing. Asking if it is a fair assessment?

Watching other teams and seem to see a lot of great catches, contested ones, tough ones where the qb didn't put it right on the #'s and receivers winning one on one battles. Am I wrong to think we don't see as many by the Bills? Yes Diggs makes his catches, but most are just great routes and throws. I remember the one handed one vs. Minny and obviously the one vs. Detroit where he took the hit too. Davis I remember the one in the endzone vs. Pitt. Knox I remember one too. Look a crisp route and the ball being thrown accurately, the swing pass in open spaces, or the pass that hits the receiver right where it should in the open seam these are things we expect and see. It is the difficult catch, the one that bails out the QB, the one where the receiver takes a violent hit and hold on, or when caught and was contested by the CB/DB, these are the ones I have seen a lot of lately when watching other games & highlights. Yes I think back to the Minny game and all the catches they seemed to make to continue drives and convert 3rd & 4th downs as an example. Am I being tough on the Bills saying I haven't seen nearly enough and then the question is why not?

I'm not arguing about McD at all. I don't hold him in as high regards as others, but think he is a good coach, and hope that eventually a great coach. It is the # here who feel the need to post threads saying he is so good that I disagree with. I personally think that it more because of Allen the Bills are where they are then Mcd.