Billsfan1972

And we know how they did vs. the #1 offense. I try and be levelheaded and fair, but regardless there are concerns. As good as the Bills opposition has been (record wise), the last 5 games though wins we've seen issues, which is what this board is for. Teams will convert 3rd downs, but the #4 DVOA Defense is not as successful as that # shows on third or fourth downs. And while 11-3, been a long time since a thorough beatdown/convincing victory.

He does throw a lot, the team just is not that successful.

Get him the ball and figure out some simple plays that work. Yes it is obvious he isn't happy when plays aren't called for him.

Already posted the link on another site. So many stats and here is 3rd & 4th down defense. Teams go for it more vs. the Bills then anyone and converting way too much (particularly of late). Doesn't give distance though. Seems the 3rd & 4th and 1-2 yards they do better then longer though. My issue is these long drives where they are converting multiple third downs (or fourth). https://nflpickwatch.com/nfl/stats/teams/defense/down

I cared at the beginning of the season, especially when Lamar was being talked above him, but couldn't care less now. I am here saying that I think the Minny game and the two Jet games really will be the deciding factor (as voters really don't factor in weather either).

Dallas is playing for pride and little else as they will be the #1 WC team. Philly doesn't want injuries. Wouldn't put too much stock in the QBs this game. Allen is a long shot, but who cares Buffalo fans know who they have.

I think you are being tough on Hurts, but when I see highlights (vs. every game Allen plays), what I see are receivers running wide open, runs often where it is like the sea parting (last weeks TD run vs. Chicago was a 25 yard walk into the end zone) and the one thing we never see with Allen is receivers winning battles and making that difficult catch. Allen, outside Diggs, I can think of 3-4 great catches this year.

Who said I'm doom & gloom? I'm not at all. Just because I don't come here & post how wonderful everything is? Actually I am positive, just will post concerns. This team was the SB favourites (and still are). https://www.oddsshark.com/nfl/super-bowl/futures #1 Seed still important, however not crucial. The issue continues to be that the Bills haven't had a dominating win since Pittsburgh (and yes I expected more). The positives are they have won close games & they have not had turnovers on offense (but yes scared of Fumbles, blind side hits on Allen and the dreaded tip int).

And if MacKenzie runs forward and goes down with 17 seconds, the Bills spike it and have a shot at a long field goal of 58 yards.

Another clickbait title thread. Searching for positive responses and emojis. And again 80%+ of people agree with the sentiment. That is the Stadium Wall. Very few post scathing, negative posts and threads. Mostly people have questions about certain things that are happening with the Bills. People seem to forget that this was the Super Bowl favourite beginning the year. Like it or not they've not blown out a team since Pitt, or had a great performance since the KC game. The Bettors certainly think more of the Bills because they're lousy against the spread this year (yes so has KC). Guess what? We all know they are 11 and 3. But there's that nagging thought that if they were 12-2, the number one seed would pretty much be locked up and they'd be preparing for the playoffs. Right now without the benefit of a convincing victory in a long while you look around AFC and you see a lot of teams that can present them a lot of problems come the playoffs.

You mean another pass that just once you want to see a Bill make a play on. Wasn't an easy catch, but certainly catchable. Again you're right about the Allen int, but those were passes he didn't miss until the second half this year. I like Mahomes and yes some blame belongs to him, but still was a great int. These were the plays the Bills made early in season.

Say what you will, but when Allen released the ball vs. Minny I thought TD as there was no need to throw in the endzone as still lot's of room to work with and options (was second down). Then to see it no where close to a receiver and a simple int I was flabbergasted. We all are Allen fans, but that second half and the mistakes were just terrible. Of course would have been moot if either he doesn't fumble at the goal line or (and yes I'm throwing Diggs under the bus, because of the play and a drop) Allen's perfect pass to him on third & 15 with 3:40 left was caught (would have pretty much ended the game). Give the Bills defense credit on the Mahomes int, good pressure, great int.

Cincy game if he lights them up for 375 and a mistake free 38-35 victory may do it. And Peter King too seems to miss a lot of the little things Allen does from his most recent article. I'm not at all worried about the MVP, just responding here to some points.

Yes but compared to the Viking second half/ot, doesn't compare. The Int at the end of the KC game was a great defensive play and pressure. Josh's ints vs. Minny were just outright bad (and then there was the fumble).

And all things, especially health considered, the next 5-7 years too. Look voters won't consider the weather, the OL, Drops (lack of bigtime catches) or the things us fans see every week from Allen. They will see the lull in weeks 8-10, two spotty performances vs. NYJ and the Viking second half/OT.

Because those would have been considered "team" losses, vs. 3 very bad mistakes that will be pinned on Allen. Plus the narrative that he has done it with a new receiving core and loss of Hill. Not saying it is right, but the National Media doesn't like to throw Mahomes under the bus.

The Vikings game will cost Allen the MVP. Three big errors that are hard to forget (Int in the endzone, fumble at goal line and the game ending int, that I still have no idea what he was thinking). Add to that not a dominating performance since the Steelers game(?). Yes victories over Balt & KC (1-1 vs. Mia & NYJ), but funny looking at their opponents records everyone seems to be around .500 except the Rams(!).

Playing in 60 degree weather, calm conditions is perfect. Get down into the 30's and sure can be okay too. No one can say with a straight face they like 20's and windchill, high winds, rain and blustery conditions. Just not fun. Saturday was okay, but yes some wind and snow only for one quarter, but no one wants 16 weeks of it.

He was the the pre-season favourite and frankly while Bills fans see it, pothers may not as he had a mid-season lull (Redzone and Int issues), that effectively ended his chances. Chaos great stats, especially liked the running stats and just how important Allen is. Regardless Bills fans know the conditions he's played in and when push came to shove vs. KC, Buffalo won. Regardless Cincy will be big and if the Bills run the table I will say what costs him the award at season's end (right or wrong), was those 2-3 brain freezes vs. Minny (4th down Int, where even I would have taken the FG, the goal line fumble & then the horrendous OT Int, which if he led them to a TD, would probably have him #1). Take a look at the movement of the line. Could have had Allen @ 20:1 last week. https://www.sportsbettingdime.com/nfl/mvp-odds/#:~:text=Odds to Win 2022-23 NFL MVP&text=Patrick Mahomes is currently the favorite to win the 2022,win %2414.50 and return %2464.50.

Really 74 pages on Beasley????🤣

Here you go.... On the surface doesn't look bad until you add 4th downs. Also Penalties are high. https://nflpickwatch.com/nfl/stats/teams/defense/down What I seem to see is they make big plays often on the third & 1 & 2 that impress, but they often are after longish frustrating drives. It's those long drives that Zach Wilson had in the Jets game that stands out or vs. Detroit where they got into FG position and then a bone ass call resulted in them kicking the tying FG (and then Josh to Diggs magic). Or coming up big vs. Miami on 3rd & 1 resulting in a FG.... Of course then there is the Minny game and them converting multiple times, but then the Bills coming through at the goal line. My question is always then, where is that sense of urgency when the Opposition is at their 20 yard line, not Buffalo's 20? So yes Buffalo's too it seems the goal line defense is very good. What it also shows is that while some trumpet that this is the 4th ranked defense by DVOA, when push comes to shove they are middle of the pack at best.

Here's a great site. Can look by week or range of weeks too. https://nflpickwatch.com/nfl/stats/teams/turnovers/total/TurnoverDifferential/true The good news is they forced the most fumbles week 11 through 15.

Yes pretty much the title. But mucked it up talking about randomness of fumbles and recoveries. People do like to veer on the discussion about it.

Actually I was very clear in stating no Ints in 5 games, which is a fact. Hey guess what the Bills are 5-0 too. Great. I do think they've been lucky in getting a few fumbles. True ups & downs and hope some ints come the playoffs. Seems the Bills generally are going 75-85 yards to score of late, which is added pressure on the Offence.

Again love when stats are skewed or there is not a deep dive. The OP said no ints in 5 games, but as usual the thread goes off the rails. When you talk about the Bills ranking it is highly skewed based on 8 the first two games and 14 the first 6.