Billsfan1972

Actually Mike Evans drops balls and Jordy benefits from a superstar @ QB. Sorry every long ball thrown in 2015 Sammy got and the issue continually was YAC as He caught almost all in traffic or by the sideline and never in motion. The point is that this board and the media is continually railing about the trade to draft him and the injuries whereas his on field performances generally very good when the qb looks his direction. Can imagine OBJ if he was targeted 2-4X/game and lined up outside as a decoy the majority of the game.

In Buffalo he is under the microscope with local media in a 2 sport town, where endless radio and newspaper columns are written about 3rd round draft choices, back-ups and DB coaches. Watkins continually is bashed for being fragile and the trade to get him..... It is actually a lot more then OBJ in local terms and I doubt nationally though OBJ is known, 98% of people don't care......

And he somehow manages to target OBJ 10+X's/game and throw for 4,400 & 4,000 yards the last two years. However neither were particularly great years, but the one thing the coaching staff an d Eli did was ensure Beckham gets his targets. Not a difficult game plan to ensure your best receiver is thrown the ball. OBJ 132+159+169=460 SW 128+95+52=275 Difference was 2014 Orton through so many away (in SW's direction) that Watkins caught only 65 of them 51%, whereas OBJ caught 91 of 132 (69%).

No, only on TSW are people continually whining about the 2014 draft in 2017, where the GM swung for the fences, drafted a star who has performed and is exactly as advertised when the ball is thrown to him (and film also shows open on multiple pass plays and the QB & OC looks elsewhere). Yes some injuries, but it is obvious to all that a QB who targets him 8-10X/game as all top receivers are, and an injury free year and his #'s will match or exceed OBJ's......

Damn right he should be targeted 10X/game....... He was frustrated and rightly so...... 2016 https://www.fantasypros.com/nfl/reports/targets/wr.php 2015 is more telling https://rotogrinders.com/pages/nfl-target-stats-wide-receivers-154401

The point of the thread is reaction to how some on here are frothing at the mouth waiting to pounce at anything Watkins does and continue to bemoan a draft pick that we have no idea what they would have accomplished. Center stage first playoff game (after two 6-10 seasons) and he was terrible. Doesn't mean he is terrible, but certainly can question his ability and maturity. Watkins is berated for dealing with injuries, playing with lousy offensive schemes and yes he made some comments about the continual trolling of some.

I could only imagine the pages dedicated to running him out of the city on this site...... Add to that the Miami excursion........ Still though 11 targets.......

No QB with the coaching and play calling of the OC could succeed on the bills. Just watching the 2 minute offense, no quick pace or hurry up, unimaginative formations and not using Watkins could also be to blame for a passing game that ranked 30th. Frankly I don't know if he is the QB, but the options are all much worse. I bet an offensively minded coach and the team wins.

It's great to have a running game however without any passing game you just can not succeed. I think the Bills can add, just refuse to and we're completely unprepared at any point to even try. Heck even when they had some success they would revert.

Right..... These are not difficult questions and should have been asked umpteen times over the last two years. Questions in a presser. "What is happening in the two-minute offense where it appears the team is not getting the plays off in a timely manner" "We don't see the team playing up-tempo. Can you explain why?" "OBJ is targeted 10-12X's/game regardless, hwy isn't Watkins?".......

Exactly...... There is no way he is the Bills QB in 2017 or 218. If he is the Bills QB in the next two years then they are tanking and gunning for 4-12.......

And not sure as to the answers, however these are straightforward questions that are never asked or answered. The difference in Buffalo is there is stud WR who is not targeted, the eye test tells you they can't play hurry up or two-minute offense and 300 yards is never ever contemplated up/down or in a tie game.

Is TT teachable? Why couldn't you run a hurry up or two minute offense? Did TT audible? Why was Watkins not targeted like a #1? Can TT read defenses? Were all plays called from the sidelines? When were plays changed Why was Watkins 90 % of the time lined up on the sideline and seldom the slot? Was it your plan to rank 28-30th in passing 2 straight years? Is there a game plan to throw for 300 yards in any playbook? We know there is one to throw for 120 & lose?

Good, I don't like Coughlin........ Really does anyone want a 71 year old coach?????? Game passed him by..... Last 3 season 7-9, 7-9 & 6-10..... A career .531 coach (yes I get it 2 SB's). Giants this year without him 11-5 and a sub-par year from Eli.....

That is what I'm just not sure about and harp on. I think the offensive schemes (passing) were plain lousy and TT had no chance to succeed. The use of Watkins when healthy was atrocious. Watch OBJ on Sunday and the multiple sets, formations and where he lines up. Eli has had a bad year. but the Giants will do what's necessary to target him and get him involved.

Brock is a disaster playing for a team in a disastrous division who put won 9 games. I've explained Dak and his ability to at least hit 200 yards and be ahead most of the game. Alex Smith and KC again do other things well however their fans too lament their passing game and that often is cited as their achilles heel. Forget the Defense for a minute, though I'll point out since some go on and on, that 6 playoff teams allowed more yards then Buffalo this year (Bills were 18th, others 22nd or worse). As for points allowed the Bills were actually 16th (middle of the pack). Is there not a single person here who doesn't think a better coached passing game would have been the difference in the Bills making the playoffs?

Exactly the point. Everyone watching could see the Passing offense had no imagination and was so simplistic that defending it was simple, TT threw some nice long balls to Watkins and was elusive, which created opportinuites too, but way too often no one was open because it was so simple to defend. Geez everyone saw that and it wasn't addressed in 2 years. The KC game last year may have been the most frustrating, where Watkins shredded the D the first half and was targeted once the second half and not a single adjustment.

A better coached passing game opens up the running game. The Bills worst games were not great running performances. Most of those came in games they won. All teams trail during the year, it's how they come back (and almost always by passing the ball) that separates winners from losers. How many times did the Bills try ground and pound when down and then really be forced into passing situations.

And the Bills can't and refuse to address it. Really is there anyone here actually happy with the passing game? Seriously? And I for one think TT should be resigned and is a good QB if he had plays specifically charted for Watkins and was allowed to make calls and audible at the LOS. Watching the 2 minute hurry up told me they don't practice it or give him autonomy.

No I want the Bills to pass the ball..... I want creative formations, play calling, 2 minute offense, and better use of Sammy Watkins. I don't want to see 10 games where they can't throw for 200 yards and the idea of 300 yards passing is some super human feat. Happened 118X's in 2016 and once by Buffalo!!!!!

10 games under 200 yards passing is PATHETIC. Dallas had only 2 (not including the last game). They still needed to throw the ball to win games..... A better passing game also would have meant a better defense too. How many 3rd and 3-4's couldn't they convert because of that lousy passing game. Houston won a lousy division and doesn't count. Miami beat the Jets & Bills for 4 of 10 wins and still threw for more yards while having a # of lousy performances and in actuality their defense was worse then Buffalos.......

But when they need points and coming from behind they can't do, because they made little effort to work on the passing game. Great front-runners...... Did they come back once in earnest? Did they overcome a 10 point deficit all season (or two). How about a properly run 2 minute offense? All this requires a passing game, multiple formations and innovative play calling.

No it is not...... You can't rank 28th in passing and refuse to use your #1 weapon and think you can win. Seattle and Dallas (who've won nothing yet) have pass games that they use. They turn to the running game to slow down the game and eat clock. When the defense does fail, you have to be able to move the ball through the air and score. The Bills had 10!!!!!! games under 200 yards passing. Won't cut it.......

The Bills continually rank near the bottom in passing. They point to the running game that they still think it is the 70's. For 2016 Passing accounted for 71.7% of total yardage and the Bills were 53.6%. #2 in rushing was the 13-3 Dallas Cowboys who were ahead in the majority of games and had a Rookie QB and still passing was 60.2% (next was Tennesse 61.8%). Of playoff teams, Dallas, Miami & Houston ranked in the bottom third of the league in passing yards, and I'd say they are outliers. The Bills had 10 games under 200 yards passing. Dallas 3 (includes last game with Mark Sanchez)....... Until they realize that it is 2016 and have a scheme where a 300 yard passing game is a yardstick, not a pipe dream they will not compete.

No they don't..... Pretty obvious watching the Bills. Best (perfect) example was vs. KC last year...... He shredded KC the first half and ignored the second..... Countless other examples too.....