Billsfan1972

Here here...... Bang on. The new regime has waved the white flag this year. Any success will be a fluke as the best players were traded.

I was pointing out that drafts are a crapshoot and there are a # of factors that come into play. I used Brady as an example that if Bledsoe was never injured, would he be who he is today. Second rounders are no sure things. A top 4 choice usually does okay.

I watched the games and it was the coaching as never was a play changed at the line when it was obvious single coverage. No plays over the middle, no motion and few quick screens. Actually it is pretty simple. When you have a great receiver you devise plays to get him touches. Every successful team does that. Maybe Golden State should predicate their offense around Curry being a decoy.

Are you beating that drum still? Okay I'm wrong 10.62/gm, vs. Watkins 7.46. Watkins also played with QB's much less accurate. So 3 more targets a game and Watkins should catch 2 more passes. Also averages 1.8 yards more/catch. Same amount of throws and Watkins is over 90 receptions and 1450 yards if healthy...... Oh and he had EJ throwing to him and an OC looking the other way. Scary what they gave up.

How about throwing him the ball. He had 1000 yard seasons and the highest YPC and less balls thrown his direction then any #1 receiver. What are you missing?

And why is that? If a player is worth $12-15 million and is the going rate and you have a star, then why not pay him? The Bills management have shown themselves to be so much ahead of the curve and smarter? Sorry The Pats and a few others get a pass to make such bold moves, the Bills do not. They traded the #4 pick for pennies on the $ and have put TT in a tough position. Now if thjey only traded Darby and said we're going all in on offense with Shady, Watkins, a veteran in Boldin & Matthews then I'd buy it.

How about we bet he has more then the 7 he averaged in 3 years as a Bill. $5,000 Okay???? Figure of speech. He'll be utilized much more then he was in Buffalo where his talent was wasted.

Brady may be an all-time great, but if Bledsoe wasn't injured and Belichek not his coach, what would have been his career like? Prescott wouldn't even be playing yet if not for the Romo injury and he too benefits from a great line, RB & coaching. Really that hard to follow?

Odell, Julio & Antonio all have 10 targets/wk. Watkins 7, as receivers on average catch .667 of targets that will have him at 80 receptions. I see that as legitimate.

Who said the QB is bad. I saw him with proper coaching and Watkins as the primary target and McCoy as being more then acceptable. Thanks for torpedoing 2017 in August..... But boy mark you calendar April 26-28, 2018....... The draft will be better then any Bills game.....

Did you watch those 2 years? Barely targeted and 1,000 yards receiving and ypc near the very top. I blamed that 100% on coaching and offensive playcalling. Odell, Julio & Antonio would have been hard pressed to catch 60 passes on the Bills.

Want to bet Goff will look and throw at Watkins 12X's/game? Oh my god you mean you have to pay for stars? Why? Damn right draft junkies complain every single time about a better player taken later. Watkins was drafted 4th, get over that trade, it was done and we saw what Watkins could do when targeted. As for Tom Brady, what do you think would have happened if Bledsoe never got injured? Brady may never have gotten a chance or if he did, maybe on a bad team. Look at Prescott..... If Romo wasn't injured where would he be. We had a top 5 talent (can anyone argue that) and gave him away for little.....

Because the last 17 years makes you so confident. The NFL draft is a crap shoot. Coaching and skill players are what wins games.....

Yes the hate for Watkins is palpable...... ODB is targeted 12+x's a game with a good QB...... Every game they threw to Watkins he was productive. Perfect example of wasted talent was vs. KC, where he torched them the first half and then the Bills forgot he was on the field the second half. Mark my words (as if it matters) that this trade was garbage.

Antonio & Julio only two I'd take over a healthy Watkins...... Call me delusional, but he was fun to watch when they they him the ball. Not much you can do when they use you as a decoy....... Yeah yeah or injured..... The same old same old........ Actually he does every time he was targeted.

You don't give away a top 5 talent for crumbs and that is what they did. This future crap is just a pipe dream (especially in football) and people being sold and obsessed with the draft are kidding themselves. NE was damn lucky that Bledsoe was injured and their 6th round draft choice was Tom Brady.

I understand tanking in the context of drafts and basketball or a top 5 in Hockey. In football and for you junkies it is a crapshoot imo. Now let a Bills fan and non draft expert give his opinion...... This trade is PATHETIC!!!!!! Forget the Darby trade for a minute (though Mathews would have been a nice addition with Watkins) and people commenting on it as a big picture item. Watkins was the reason I watched when he was playing. He was the #4 pick and dynamic when the Bills actually looked at him and threw him the ball. They rolled the dice and needed to see it through. Tired of the injury comments as while a concern he is still young. When he played he was a top 10 talent @ wr. When thrown to, top 5...... I blamed the OC and play calling and saw Watkins woefully underutilized and now the Bills flushed him down the toilet. 17 years and no playoffs and they waved the white flag for 2017 August 11th.... Maybe Houston is taking offers for JJ Watt based on his injuries the last 2 seasons. Could the bills offer their 2nd round pick and some middling CB for him????? We are being played for suckers.

Again the QB or the system where there is no offensive creativity wrt the passing game, weak receivers (without Watkins), no moving of the WR's and no game plan to try and throw for 300/game, which is not a difficult goal.

Check their podcast 2/22 as both rate Tyrod Taylor above Cousins. Again not sure why the Bills are even considering taking 3 steps back if starting fresh with an unproven QB.

I hate the idea of throwing and having a passing game in the top half of the league. What fun would that be?

Pretty much bang on. Not sure why no deep balls this year (1 I remember). No YAC either. Point of the thread is how TSW reacts about Watkins since the day the trade was made to draft him. Also as said the NYG message boards are so much more thoughtful, quieter and mundane by comparison.

Am I missing something? All fairly intelligent and very little bashing. Add to that only 20-30 responses and no where near the nastiness and bitterness of tsw.... Take a bow. The New York fans wouldn't survive here.

Yes and probably worse here on TSW.

And that Sammy cost us the game with two crucial drops that killed the momentum and affected the Defense the Bills were playing. I'll revert again to 1999 and one of the best defensive games ever played by Buffalo spoiled by Rob Johnson's pathetic performance vs. Tennessee. I refuse to blame the last play as the offense should have blown out the Titans.....

Which means the Bills would have had (in almost every scenario) to trade up in any case get him.......... Perfectly happy with Sammy who is a better deep threat, just missing a qb (or OC depending on where that debate lies). The question then is simply OBJ with this Offense and qb's would have the same production as Watkins. My original thread asked how TSW would have reacted to a playoff game performance (and Miami trip) if it was Watkins and the Bills in place of OBJ & NYG?