Billsfan1972

The trade was made and the Bills did a lousy job using him in their offense. You play the cards you are dealt. When playing poker and you have A spades, J diamonds, 9 hearts, 6 spades, and 3 clubs, you don't discard the Ace (Watkins) & Jack (Darby)........ Trying to keep it simple and not try to use Bridge analogies......

Interesting to see in May it was 9, by the time the season started it was 6 (googled). So the coach/ho was responsible between May and week one at reducing the the w/l by 3 games. Now I know why I was so pissed at the start of the season and we see some seem so happy with the 8-7 record and some not so thrilled. Sorry not overly happy with the results from management and will take a wait and see approach. Think about it..... We know the affect a QB going down has on the W/L for a team, but the Management in three months with their trades and statements reduced the Bills expectations by 50%!!!

I watch too and like many times you know Goff's reads and the play call and Sammy isn't part of it. It is what it is, and anyone who denies that his absence hasn't affected the Bills is full of it.....

Single coverage or lost in formations and and that's the call Goff has as he won't throw into coverage. Watch the games and come back when Watkins signs his contract.

As far as receiving is going he draws the opposition's #1 cb and help. That's indisputable. You can't catch passes when not thrown too or thrown away. Goff is still learning and is hesitant to throw to Watkins. Agian targets low and looks away from him if McVay doesn't call him as the primary target

The HO and Coach basically gave up on the Bills in the preseason and sold some fans as to how bad the team would be coming off 3 okay seasons. As said like all skill players playing on non playoff teams all they worry about are their #'s and their next contract. Watkins would have made a difference without a doubt.

And what would have been so wrong trying to have a .500 team (past 3 years) win 2 more games and make the playoffs????? 17 years people. This notion of superbowl or bust is a dream....... Make the playoffs, get lucky with a franchise/top 10 QB and cross your fingers that things bounce your way...... But keep drinking the koolaid that McD & Beane are smarter then 31 other GMs/Coaches......

How naive are you? Sounds great, but on a non-playoff team I bet almost everyone in a skill position wants the ball and to put up stats...... Geez even defensive backs and cornerbacks we see fighting over an interception or intercepting a fourth down pass and costing their teams 20 yards all for stats. How the heck can an offensive/defensive lineman be "me first"?

Disgruntled? If he was it was because he did not get enough targets, which was obvious based on the stats. Pre-season game #2 they targeted him repeatedly and he caught the pass. Very easy to appease a good player, feed him the ball as long as he performs. Would have been pretty simple and helped TT, McCoy and the offense.

Revisionist history..... If the Bills were high on Gaines (who was not going to start for the Rams, they could have gotten him for next to nothing. The Bills wanted a second rounder for Watkins because they were in tank mode before the season even started. That's what turned me off...... Watkins was signed for 2017 and certainly there is this weird thing in the NFL where players get paid what they are worth on the open market. How dare someone get paid "fair" market value. Those who are banking on the Bills in 2020, good luck...... I was about the Bills in 2017. There is no doubt the Bills would have been better with Watkins, Darby & Dareus this year.

Gaines was a throw in that if the Bills really liked could have gotten for next to nothing. Quit thinking it was some coup. It was blind luck and the Bills got an injury prone db. So now they have a late second round pick. Whoopdedoo.....

Watch the Rams and Goff and you'll see the difference between him and a veteran who will throw to their #1 regardless of coverage. Big Ben, Brady, Rivers, Brees, Eli....... don't care and make those passes, which result in much higher targets and receptions. If he is so bad and not worth the money, why does he draw #1 defenders & doubles (or triple as that one screen grab shows)? Goff has improved tremendously and 80% of that is due to the coaching he has gotten. He still however is not great and Watkins has been the odd man out as McVay is very careful as to when Watkins is the primary target and Goff still has missed him a lot. Note only 1 drop this season too. BTW Kupp has 5 & Woods 0...... Will return when we see what he signs for.....

Anyone still holding on to the premise it was not a mistake, probably are also explaining the punt vs. Indy in OT and FG vs. NE last week were the right decision. I was a ridiculous move with no chance of success...... A first round pick that you want to be the future and are easing into the lineup (ala Eli Manning) maybe...... But not a crucial game vs. a team you may fighting a playoff position against. This defies logic and we saw the results.

Can't disagree there. But again just a pathetic call......

Hilarious..... Blame a mobile QB for lousy pass protection and sacks and not trying to avoid pressure? What is Dennison saying. As for the screen that was the genius play call......

He takes a sack where often he runs out of trouble (he was just tripped up). Dennison/McDermott puts the nail in the coffin by then handing off to Tolbert on 2nd & 25......

Yea that was a no brainer as they had already decided they only wanted Taylor at a discount deal for 2 years. And yes we have been beaten down and Taylor is by far the best we have and the choices in FA are pretty bad. Add to that 500 odd pages extolling the virtues about a 5th round rookie (and trying to explain how 2-3 interceptions were not his fault) pretty much says it all......

Yea and Brady missed a # of passes too on Sunday. Maybe he too should be cut???? If you hate Tyrod little he does will impress you and you will nitpick everything. When you know as soon as the Bills line-up the play call, you just shake your head in disbelief.

Well I just watched the game (was travelling so only caught the end of the third & fourth quarters on Sunday)..... What did I see through my rose-coloured glasses? Lots of conservative play-calling and lousy calls in the redzone. Taylor threw many nice passes and few bad ones. Took a bad sack @ 16-16, but not the first one to ever do that. Then came three runs at 23-16 and again a terrible call on 4th down (50 yard fg). TT is an okay QB who could be much better in a good offense. As I've said, draft a QB high, fire Dennison and let him mature. If the idea is an open competition between Peterman & Taylor or Peterman to hold the mantle while a suitable draft choice is groomed with Dennison as the OC, the Bills are doomed.

I was talking about turnovers and where Buffalo ranks....... Yes 5 Ints in one half is a disaster (that is 30% of the Bills total for all of 2017 in one half of football)...... The Taylor puke games have just as much to do with Dennison as it does with Taylor...... The LAC game was all on Paterman.....

So really I have reached the point after 45 years of watching the Bills, that they just are not that much fun to watch. If it wasn't for the Peterman disaster, the Bills would be in the top 3 in least giveaways this year, which is their game plan. No turnovers on offense, punts and field position.... The snow game was okay as it was a snow game, not the play..... The Raider game was only because it was a win, the Broncos an unexpected win and KC following three blowouts, was a win but not particularly fun. TB wasn't bad (actually threw for over 260)...... And of course the first half vs. Miami due to seeing drives and offense.

What I'd give for some offense and a team not to play scared.

Really? You think anyone outside Bills fans would turn on a Bills game. Here is how if not a fan i choose a game..... 1. Offense - Dynamic receivers and QB's capable of throwing a minimum of 300 yards. 2. A defensive front who sack QB's 3. Knowing that a game could be a 35-31 shootout No I do not want to watch a team who's offensive philosophy is to grind out 8 minute drives & 50 yards and then a bend but not break defense hoping for a mistake or turnover.....

I said ignore it. A serious question as a fan for 45 years. The early years were terrible and Joe Ferguson and his 12 pass attempts and the "murderer" at RB. Just not enjoyable to watch in a long time and this year there really has not been a fun game, wins yes, but as an objective fan not a single really good game.

Yep been asking this over and over the year. Maybe t is 17 years in the making. I find it hard to watch them. I like offense and points and was upset back to the semi teardown in the preseason and the louey play calling all year. Ignore the thread if you want, just my opinion.