Billsfan1972

Missing the point...... Peterman vs. LAC 2017, no mentor/veteran with NFL experience and some success to help JA, a offense torn apart under his tenure, OC's that are so behind in how offenses are played and having Peterman compete again a rookie and a no one for the starting job is all on McDermott.... You have to be incompetent not to know that your QB is the most important player. Let's look at Jax. They have Bortles a high first round pick, not fifth who is terrible, but at least he has these games where he appears to be a great QB. I won't say I feel bad for Marrone, but very hard to to assess the QB possition when your QB is schizophrenic.....

And the majority knew last year......

That was the point...... Peterman never should have been in camp competing for the starting position. It was to be Allen & a veteran back-up with NFL experience. Bridgewater is the perfect example. He was the best Jets QB in pre-season and they shipped him out to avoid any issues and he is AN NFL CALIBER QB.

It is pretty darn obvious when you watch other teams on Offense and how they line up, the schemes and the success, that the Bills are doing plenty wrong. Don't need to have been in a closet watching game film, with my eyelids forced open ala Clockwork Orange for days on end to figure it out. I've watched more then enough football for 45 years to make an educated assumption that McClappy doesn't know what he is doing on the Offensive side in 2018.......

Who created it????? I'll answer it for you....... McClappy!!!!!

The Bills were 9-7 last year and this pretty much is where they were pretty much exactly the same in 2014-2016 (+/- 1 game) and the coaches didn't last.......

Yep another thread & explained that in the title. This is why the Bills are in disarray..... They hired a HC who is incompetent wrt the Offense, made bad hires on that side of the ball and compounded it with his 5th round wonderkid who he trots out again and again and brought in no one to mentor/help Allen. As for Watkins, they made the pick, he may not have been the right one at #4, but put up good #'s based on his limited targets and was healthy going into 2017 on an offense that needed receivers and a more dynamic pass game and they gave him away for almost nothing in return. And again I will freely admit I want another clunker from Peterman as the sooner they figure out the mess the HC put us in, the quicker the Bills can rebuild. Again I just saw that Peterman poll and 50% are supporters of him (more then 2X's as many then want him gone). I can only imagine that those 77 are those that support "THE PROCESS" & McClappy......

Very simply McDermott & this staff lost me in 2017 when they started dismantling the team in the pre-season. I am no draft geek or understand schemes and the details. I watch the game with my two eyes and wanted to see a better passing game and improved D in 2017. Then the Bills started trading players in skill positions with recognizable names. I was really upset with the Watkins trade in this was borne out based on just how anemic the passing game was and the fact the Offense was putrid and unimaginative. I didn't know Nathan Peterman from a hole in the wall and couldn't care less about the 5th round draft pick as the Bills back-up. Then came the LAC debacle and McD's defense of the decision and the disaster it was. If not for injuries/concussions, I wouldn't have been surprised to have seen Peterman start the playoff game (shade of Rob Johnson). They then draft their franchise QB in Allen (again knew the name and the details, but little else) and excited as to the future, but still worried about the offense and whether the staff & FO learned anything from 2017. They sign AJ McCarron and I wonder why another 5th round back-up with all of 3 NFL games and even I wonder how is this so different from Peterman. I then wondered if this was simply so that there was another QB in camp that Peterman could beat out and be named the starter so that he could redeem himself as a competent starting QB and McD be vindicated for the mockery of the decison to start him vs. the Chargers. Yes I was right and they traded AJ and Peterman was the starter, same as Bradford in Arizona & TT in Cleveland. Bridgewater was traded so that if Darnold struggled there was a "real" vereran behind him and not someone like Bridgewater competing to start. So yes it all comes back to Peterman and McDermott's (who drafted him as Beane wasn't there) dogged defense of him and wanting him to succeed that has this team in such disarray.

Watkins was the #4 pick and produced when healthy in his rookie & second seasons with minimal targets. From there (and go ahead check my posts) they targeted him less then almost any top rated receiver in the league (<8/gm in 2014 & 2015 but still almost 1000 yard/season). Sorry but #4 pick in Buffalo and I understand how he could have been upset. 2017 have him & TT on the same page & I expected a monster season and someone to cheer for. Compare him & DeAndre Hopkins & you see two very similar players handled differently by coaching staffs.

And that is why this thread was resurrected...... The Bills will need to grossly over pay for any skilled position player. The cap space argument will mean nothing if not spent or spent overpaying mediocre players. The more this Offense continues this direction the harder it will be to fix.

? Now that's the attitude.......

Yes he did...... He has it all figured out if you don't know by now and was ready for this dumpster fire...... The question is does he pay for season tickets & waste his Sundays watching all three hours of this garbage the Bills feed us fans.

Peterman never should have been here competing for the starting job...... There was the issue plain & simple and snowballed from there. Any smart FO after drafting your franchise QB, has a vet who has proven serviceable in the NFL to mentor & pass him the torch. Really not rocket science. The Bills though were too smart and chose Peterman as that person.

Bang on...... He has put together an offense so behind the NFL, that as HC there is no way they can attract FA's without grossly over-valuing and over-paying in addition to completely overhauling that side with a new OC and little faith from the fans that he can do it. What he has done in just over a year to the Offense is unacceptable and he has shown not a inkling that he has any idea or thought as to how to fix it....... Maybe the Wishbone?

I am not along with 95% of those here a football expert with intricate knowledge of all coaches, assistants and great minds in the game. However I have watched the game almost 50 years and it is obvious the coach has ABSOLUTELY NO IDEA HOW TO RUN AN OFFENSE AND HIRED OC's WHO ARE A REFLECTION OF HIM AND ARE FAILING. Don't need to add anymore.

And yes I do feel bad for Peterman, but I want to see another abject failure, because even a mediocre performance and McDermott buys time. I will not forgive McDermott for all his decisions on Offense and his smug arrogance that it really is no big deal what they did to that side of the ball (had to be done and part of the process that many here still believe). Peterman never should have started vs. LA, the Bills needed a solid veteran heading into the season as JA's Mentor or back-up and Peterman #3 or on the practice squad. He was a 5th round pick and the investment McD has made to have him the starter was always the issue and the fact he has had performances that were so so bad (lowest QBR ever, 5 Int half & pick 6 & int to lose another) and still is on the team and will likely start in an aberration. Even an average performance and I can only imagine the posts here and next weeks threads i.e. Even if Allen is healthy Peterman should be the Bills QB will be unbearable. Yes I know McDermott's thinking and it is to prove he is right about Peterman and only historically bad performances kept McD from starting him the following week. Anyone remember the LA game and Peterman trotting out int after int and I swear he was going to start the second half and even then it seemed he may start the following week. Please no!!!!!!!

The point is that yes the defense played well, but quit getting ahead of yourselves and claiming this is a top 5 SB defense. NE moved the ball and if they score on one of the first and goals or make the FG at half it doesn't look as good. Conversely the offense moved the ball, though only 6 points and actually the time of possession fairly even and NE still had 400 yards of offense (which the Bills haven't all season). They played well at home on a Monday night, but quit fawning over them.

Still gave up over 300 yards passing and almost 400 yards total (last 10 minutes of the game a whole 5 yards). They allowed NE to move the ball most of the night and if one of the first & goals results in a TD then it doesn't look as good. Offense actually moved the ball some and held the ball the majority of the last 10 minutes. Yes the defense is the best part of the team, but really let's not get carried away.

Again explain why? The defense has had 4 good games, which makes them superbowl level? The offense is terrible.

Peterman got them over the hump..... Monkey off their back..... Loved them going for it on 4th & 22 and a great checkdown......

They did pass for over 300 yards, but again no cohesion or sense of urgency. The best part is the game is over and they are still throwing, Anderson injured and in comes Peterman on third and 33 with the game over and instead of kneeling or handing off, throws two underneath patterns on third and fourth downs well short of the first as some kind of joke or show Peterman can complete passes?

Over 300 yards passing..... I saw some things I haven't seen before, but still the inability to score is just unbelievable......

Any of these teams have a -94 differential or scored less then less then 81 points? Any other team averaging less then 129.4 yards passing a game? Yes I'd like to see some offense.

And the fact they screwed up the Offense so badly was the reason they lost against Jax. So absolutely no confidence in them.

Sure trust the process...... At least you are right about Peterman..... That to me was the straw that broke the camel's back.