Billsfan1972

I want Allen to do well as the Bills invested a lot in him. The other #1's to date like Allen have been a little bit of a mixed bag. The issue is this coaching staff and their idiocy in ignoring the offensive side of the ball and their continual trotting out of NP and blind support of him. That is why I started the thread to show the stupidity of the entire Process and how they approached the QB position.

Keep drinking the Kool aid those defending McD. Doublespeak and talking out of both sides of your mouth is a long lost art.

Look whether Allen becomes the franchise QB or not remains to be seen. As the #7 pick he needs the opportunity to crash and burn on his own. The point is it was done and now the Bills need to see what they got. The list contains a lot of top 10 failures. The point however is what were the Bills Braintrust thinking giving the keys to the car to a 5th round rookie? Oh and who will forget all those defending the decision before the LAC game (and many still today) looking at the results and the list attached. At least I was consistant from the day he was named the starter vs. LAC.......

Look closely at the list and after the second round I recognize almost no names. Two caught lightning in a bottle...... Russel Wilson (dropped significantly due to his height and skin colour) and Prescott (again skin colour) who had everything fall into place year one and we slowly are seeing his true colours.......

http://www.nfl.com/draft/history/fulldraft?type=position Interesting to see all that were taken and how many stick. Sorry but again just makes me shake my head in disbelief that this clown McDermott thinking Peterman was ready to start vs. LAC and no viable plan for 2018 and again named the starter. Again nothing against NP, but look at the list and how many (and the number of much higher picks) that never sniffed anything close to the opportunity NP has been given over and over......

Remember that one and it seems so long ago that he played. I liked glimpses he gave the Bills, but been a tough year.

I had to go back and doublecheck that pre-season game in 2017 vs. Minn....... The 2-3 Drives TT had he threw to Watkins 5 times (4 catches) and they did exactly what I was clamoring and excited looking forward to during the season, a concerted effort to get the ball to your #1 receiver...... 3 days later (or was it 2) he was traded. What is also amazing is seeing how much Peterman played in the 2017 pre-season and he beat out TJ Yates as the back-up. Obviously he was annointed when he was drafted..... Thanks McD........

Been going for years and he claims it is a tradition. Would be a December game in any case.

So we have common ground...... DOn't disagree with you, I just hated the way it was done and with no plan. Now if they traded Watkins before the 2017 draft for a #1, yep still would have been upset, but that players would have been on the field in 2017. I argued (and not incorrectly) that the offense was hijacked & undermined...... Remember the pre-season game with Watkins & TT...... He threw him passes and targets in their game and I thought the light went on. Didn't know they were showcasing him......

I'm in my 50's...... I like tailgating, but much rather do it in 70 degree weather then shivering and battling traffic. Oh and would like to see a watchable football game too.....

Again the point is simply they have let it play out and this culture/process crap is bullcrap..... I want to be entertained and waiting year after year is unacceptable. Add to that the offensive sid has been so neglected....... Sure Sammy may too have put up pedestrian #'s in 2017, however I would have liked to have seen them as a member of the Bills.

Nope asking me to go as we go as a group of 4-5.

Give me a compelling argument. I come down 2X's/yr on average and of my group am the only "fan" watching the Bills religiously and on sites like this. Yes it means a 3 hour drive with the border to cross and my friend states it is a tradition. I told him there is no way I am wasting 12 hours on Sunday (3 infront of the TV is plenty) to watch this team. It is not the losing, it is fielding a product that has been so unwatchable on Offense and absolutely no fun. When was the last fun game they played? Not talking blowing out Minny (boring as heck after the first 20 minutes) or Arizona or Oakland where the Bills actrually won by double digits. Maybe the OT loss to Miami Xmas 2016 (and they gave that one away)? I guess if Allen is back this week or after the bye and plays well, but otherwise ss there a reason to pay money and support the Bills as they are right now?

Again they did not have to overpay him in 2017, he was UNDER CONTRACT. Produce and they would have like OBJ & Evans are. Stars and difference makers are OVERPAID. Again simple question, would you rather have had Watkins in 2017 or not? I don't care one bit about trading for draft picks I want to see the team on the field.

Really??!!?? Since you seem to know me & my posts, you will too know I went into 2017 knowing nothing about McD, the process, culture...... I watch football (a lot) and don't get into the details, but certainly understand the game. I was excited and thought a healthy Watkins and commitment to get him the ball and good communication with TT and let's go, Instead they tear down the offense in the pre-season and sucked the joy out of it (you will see numerous posts). Sammy did not produce as expected in LA, but they won and the Bills Offense was a hot mess and no wrs performed. The Offense was ATROCIOUS. I can promise you that if targeted 150 times he would have had 1200+ yards minimum and the team would have been much much better on offense. There is no argument. I will too continue to compare him to Evans & OBJ because he was drafted higher and just does not get the targets or is thrown to as often. Defenses respect him and $16,000,000 says otherwise.

But but but, the Bills have a culture and a process!!!!!!! I forgot to add the Bills are unwatchable

And you keep ignoring OBJ & Evans who remain on the same team & both signed long-term contracts. Very simply if Watkins played well in 2017 and with as I said increased targets & responsibilities he would have gotten the same. And everyone is saying that if you pay top dollar you get the FA. Also newflash....... Every NFL team makes money.....

Say it isn't so???? Now where is the thread about NP being successful at New Era field? Well if he plays this week they are on the road...... Oops......

Yep poor KC..... God it must be terrible being a Chiefs' fan. I laid out 2017 as I would have handled Sammy and you keep ignoring that..... Obviously not the process that involved tearing the O down under McD & hiring terrible offensive coordinators....... But one I would have eschewed. Explain too how different that would be from Evans or OBJ from the same draft class and with the teams that drafted them and who they throw to? Why are they still on the same teams? They are "me too" guys and the Bills would have traded them too in 2017.

Circular argument and a waste of time. I said if I was the GM, I would have extended him in year 4 (not traded him). I would have sat him down and commited to righting the wrongs of the previous coaches/gms and ensured we would get him the ball and see exactly what we have. If he prodiuced like OBJ (same draft class) then we have a comp and handle it like the Giants did. Instead the Bills got bubkus (an often injured DB who was not resigned and a second). In their quest for help they traded a third for Benjamin......

He is and was pursued and signed for $16,000,000. The Bills did not get him the ball enough and many teams thought enough to pay him that amount. Great players are paid and are highlighted in the offense. Decoy Sammy was not as a Bill and I understand the Ego problem. Answer me this. You are the #1 draft prospect at wr selected #4, have a good rookie season and in year 2 battle some injuries and are targeted half of what your peers are and still put up good #'s. A few setbacks in year 3 and less targets when healthy and often a decoy. You wouldn't be pissed? And this is exactly the Bills loser attitude about drafting skilled position players and then not wanting to pay them and thinking they can draft their heir. Let me guess your line of thinking...... "No receiver is worth $16,000,000 and there is not a single FA worth it". Me I'd rather have cheered the player the Bills drafted and developed for 10 years, then the FA signed. BTW Golden Tate is a FA. How much would you pay him and should the Bills sign him?

Twist words..... I said he got no where near the same targets and the Bills QB's hardly threw and were 28th in passing in 2015, 30th in 2016, 31 in 2017 & currently last. Throw the ball to your best player (Watkins) and good things happen. Take a look at #1 receivers for every team and they usually will have 4 passes designed just to get him the ball (easy routes), a number of more complicated patterns (12-25 yards) downfield and then some deep routes they try. It is Football 101.....

Again I'll use 2015 Watkins best yuear to illustrate how underutilized he was. The Bills threw for 3600 yards that year or 225 a game. Watkins had had 60 catches in 96 targets in 13 games or 4.6 catches on 6.9 targets per game & 1047 yards. He was responsible for 29% of the passing yards for the team though missing 3 games. Same year. Hopkins 196 (12/gm) Targets 111 (6.9/gm) catches 1521 yards 4079 passing (from garbage QBs) or 37.2% of total.... OBJ 158 (10.58), 96 (6.4) 1450 of 4500 32.2% Brown 196 (12.25) 136 (8.5) 1834 of 4822 38.8% Very simply throw these players the ball and they catch it and produce. This year look at Thomas & Thielen as new examples.......

Again who do the bills have and who will they pay? What is a wr worth in the minds of this offensively challenged braintrust|? As said they never threw to him and when they did he caught the ball and produced. Not much you can do when not targeted, which was the problem with Buffalo and their 2014-2016 25 passes per game and their 200 yard average passing yards/game...... Buffalo football baby.... I gave many examples of those who are with the team that drafted them and were paid. What a novel idea to pay for your drafted stars.

Why hasn't Julio, Antonio, Deandre, OBJ, Larry Fitz & other great receivers all bolted as soon as their contracts are up or 5th season? Because their teams value them (yes some arguing and in-fighting maybe), but all are thrown the ball and paid....... The stupidity of these arguments are ridiculous.