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Jackson looked like Peterman with those sideline routes. He eyes his receivers for a long time before he throws. Probably not going to make an impact at the next stage. Also, it might be just me, but he seems to be walking as though exhausted between each play. There is no pep in his step.

An Allen Homer makes a thread bashing another rookie.. shocking lol.

I don't know why everyone keeps throwing this out there. Please go back and show me where he looked as awful as Allen in his first year. He averaged around 225yds per game and close to 60% completion. That was all in a different era of football that didn't favor the passing game. Also, can we stop using wins and losses as though this isn't a team game? You take away some garbage time GB stats and it's pretty clear that Allen isn't ready and isn't even close to Kelly's level. Hell, he isn't even on EJs level. EJ looked much better all season.

Looking at available FAs for next season will tell you that there aren't any quality lineman. These guys don't just grow on trees and it will take some really surprising releases across the NFL to make this happen. They will probably draft defense heavy in a typical Bills move, but it's going to take a few years of high draft picks to fix that line and it's depth. This an old team, and holes are going to open because of age while they fill others.

Or maybe some of us watch college football and realized he wasn't that good. He was completely shut down against quality opponents, and nothing has changed. When he misses, it isn't even close and there doesn't seem to be any improvement on his footwork. Add to that his tendency to roll to the sides instead of step up and you get poor play.

Stick around for 4 years of Rex level mismanagement because the Whaley built roster snuck into the playoffs. Logan Thomas over Nick O'Leary is just one of the recent wtf moments in their personnel choices. It's an old team with no talent and possibly a wasted draft pick in what looked to be a stacked QB draft.

Some of the holds are still related to him shifting sideways instead of up into the pocket. He creates a lot of sacks by rolling right into pressure. It's a terrible trait that a lot of athletic QBs seem to have picked up.

Sad part is that it doesn't even get to last minute without him.

Logan Thomas blows and Nick O'Leary got a TD today. Their evaluation of players is horrible.

Have you ever heard of a team developing a punter? This is like the Bills carrying two kickers. I guess they need to bring back NFL Europe to find some good Special Teams talent. TBF, at least one of those big returns was a missed tackle where the Bills player was right on top of him. It's not great that special teams is such a problem with so many special teams specialists on the roster.

He doubled him in yards and had a passing TD. The completion percentage was bad for that game, but his mechanics and pre-snap are way ahead of Allen's. Arizona might be the only team with an Oline and WR Corp as void of talent as Buffalo. I think Darnold and Allen are pretty comparable at this point. They have a lot of the same weaknesses.

His first game was 56%, and his college tape shows the same delivery. You should probably step away from WGR and actually watch other games.

Now your a stats guy? Have you watched the games?

Even Kelly was a project. He had time to develop in another league and still sucked when he came here. The scheme probably hid a lot of his weaknesses. Wasn't he a QB converted to WR and then converted back? I was more worried about Moore when they played the Bills.

Rosen's ball placement is second to none in that class. This allows for YAC and you can see it on almost every pass he makes. Allen is basically places the ball the same as Tyrod.

Minnesota was stout last year, now they're porous. Shady and Ivory are the only reason that last drive worked. He had Tyrod numbers and that's not a good sign. To be ignored by the starter? Maybe not the best example if you mean mentoring. He needs a full time QB coach to work on his footwork.

Yeah idk why I can't get Coleman and Foster straight. Maybe it's the speed and no hands aspect of their game.

I meant moreso with the penalties. The new passer friendly league is allowing even rushing teams to pass for over 200 consistently. As far as the deep throws, I think he underthrew a couple to Coleman. I can't argue that this receiving Corp is absolutely terrible.

You're also leaving out the total shift in the NFL since then. It was still a running league, but now with the new rules it's a bad game under 200yds throwing. We can't compare two eras of football, even if it seems like it wasn't that long ago. Speaking of, who thought our cannon armed QB would be so terrible at long throws? He isn't even close on the majority of them. That was his last year, but his junior year team was very talented. 5 NFL players from a team in that conference is basically stacked. His receivers also had one of the lowest drop rates in all of DIV I.

That RB dropoff is steep, but I sure hope so.

Minnesota has been nowhere near impressive this year. Actually one of the worst defenses so far. Tennessee has a much better D and held him to under 100yds. Might as well have grabbed Tebow if that's where we are setting the bar. This is an old team trying to act young and most of these guys will probably be gone soon. There is no win yesterday without Shady and Ivory, and there is a good chance they won't be here.

In 20 years we top out at 9-7 three separate times. I see boomers losing their minds over 5 minute store waits, 20 years seems excessive for anybody. The Bills last won the division in 1995....think about how terrible that is.

Might as well drop Logan Thomas too since he is always banged up and hasn't made an impact. I was really hoping for more two tight end sets for this team.

Beane didn't draft White or Dawkins and Johnson looks like maybe a CB3. Your argument seems to be based around "well they could be good in the future", so how can you possibly get to "pretty good" without any actual results? Why is it all of a sudden that people think a rookie head coach just up and ran the draft last year? Last year was a pretty typical Whaley draft.

Resign Nick O'Leary since Logan Thomas can't get on the field healthy anyway.